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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by bitwize »

theclansman wrote: post #174
taylodl wrote: post #160

The funny thing is the minors know how to use a VPN to get around this law whereas the many older users don't! So, in Utah the minors will be able to access porn and many of the adults will not! Good job Utah!

Not quite, have you not been following the news that new generations are worse with technology than the previous ones? Minors barely know how to use a computer nowadays, they only use smart phones.

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Post by tomjen3 »

theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Porn is not dangerous, it is just parents that don't want to talk about sex with their kids.

What is dangerous is social media, which should be banned < 21.

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Post by [deleted] »

berkes wrote: post #193
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

GalenErso wrote: post #62
wunderland wrote: post #24

The US is also planning a law that would make it illegal to use VPNs to skirt laws like this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/could-tiktok-ban...

There are countless programmers, from self taught amateurs to professional SWEs, white hats, grey hats and black hats, who would immediately jump at the opportunity to create stronger VPNs, mirror sites, Tor nodes, and other tools to allow the public to bypass these restrictions. Trying to control the Internet in America is a losing proposition, for better or worse.

The point of banning stuff on the Internet is not to censor stuff, it's to make the stuff the government doesn't like unmonetizable.

So VPNs aren't a "bypass" or a loophole, they're the desired outcome of these laws.

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Post by Myrmornis »

ActorNightly wrote: post #212
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

What age would you suggest having these conversations so that the kids' porn-viewing sessions can commence?

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Post by basisword »

taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

Where are you based? I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks. Deliveroo require that riders verify your age but in reality they just ask you to type it in. And the major grocery stores deliver alcohol without any obvious checking too. I imagine teenage drinking is much easier these days thanks to the above :)

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Post by e40 »

welshwelsh wrote: post #201
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Why do you think that? I think it's a good thing for minors to have unrestricted access to porn

My 22 year old son vehemently disagrees. And from what I've read from young men, many agree with him. When I (we?) were kids porn was Playboy or Penthouse or Hustler. Tame by comparison to today. As my son stressed with me, you can find _anything_ via the internet. Anything. ANYTHING. A developing brain can't unsee stuff and it does warp people's perceptions of what is normal.

Having said that, I am deeply suspicious of any move to "protect the children" because it's always used as a cover for a move toward authoritarianism.

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Post by emodendroket »

GalenErso wrote: post #62
wunderland wrote: post #24

The US is also planning a law that would make it illegal to use VPNs to skirt laws like this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/could-tiktok-ban...

There are countless programmers, from self taught amateurs to professional SWEs, white hats, grey hats and black hats, who would immediately jump at the opportunity to create stronger VPNs, mirror sites, Tor nodes, and other tools to allow the public to bypass these restrictions. Trying to control the Internet in America is a losing proposition, for better or worse.

This is something we like to tell ourselves but they can do a whole lot, especially if the sites in question are expensive to host.

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Post by JohnFen »

edgyquant wrote: post #178
rbanffy wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but it looks like a law that's designed to suppress specific forms of art and artistical manifestations, which could be argued are free speech.

Pornography is already restricted for minors. All this law does it make that restriction apply to internet sites as well.

Well, that's not all the law does. It also strips anonymity and, therefore, privacy.
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