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Post by 0zemp2c »

ActorNightly wrote: post #212
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

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Post by 0zemp2c »

welshwelsh wrote: post #201
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Why do you think that? I think it's a good thing for minors to have unrestricted access to porn

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Post by Simulacra »

Eisenstein wrote: post #98
Simulacra wrote: post #61

It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society, but short of blocking it there has been no proposals for rectifying the situation. IMHO society seems to have just shrugged its collective shoulders about it, especially about kids watching porn and the greater availability of it. I guess we should get used to a future where porn is freely available to ever…

> It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society I have not heard of this consensus. Where can I find out about it?

Do you think porn has been good for society?

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Post by marcofiset »

Eumenes wrote: post #196
marcofiset wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody knows that prohibition does not work. People will get their fix any other way.

Okay, lets not ban guns or tobacco products then. People will get their fix other ways I guess.

Pretty much. Controlling how those products are sold is better than outright banning them.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Marsymars wrote: post #199
brookst wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws restricting speech must pass strict scrutiny, which means they are the lightest restrictions on speech that meet the government's interests. In Utah, it's clear that there would be less-restrictive ways to achieve the supposed goals of the law. For instance, jail parents whose minor children view pornography. That would not be a content-based restriction on speech. Since there is no way for a website to know the…

> For instance, jail parents whose minor children view pornography. Does this seem at all practical to you? To me, this seems akin to dropping ID requirements at liquor stores and bars, and instead enacting a law to jail the parents of minors who drink liquor.

It's an absolutely horrible idea. It only makes sense if maybe there's serious neglect by the parents, knowingly allowing it to continue. But probably that level of neglect is already illegal somehow anyway.

I mean, when I was a teenager I already knew how to program and my mother was completely tech illiterate. So how the hell was she supposed to control what a chronically horny teenage boy was getting up to on the internet?

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Post by jen20 »

basisword wrote: post #227
taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

Where are you based? I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks. Deliveroo require that riders verify your age but in reality they just ask you to type it in. And the major grocery stores deliver alcohol without any obvious checking too. I imagine teenage drinking is much easier these days thanks to the above :)

> I imagine teenage drinking is much easier these days thanks to the above

When I was in (secondary) school in the UK, we could get served beer in the pub at lunchtime while wearing school uniform! Doesn't get much easier than that!

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Post by bloak »

taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

With physical goods it's probably enough to check the age of the person taking delivery. Presumably the people who deliver groceries know what to do if the groceries include a crate of beer and the person who opens the door looks as if they might be under 18. Presumably they ask to see a driving licence or for someone older to come to the door. Or the crate of beer gets sadly removed from the order and the teenager's father is disappointed when he gets back from his evening walk.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

berkes wrote: post #193
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

Is is the wrong word. ‘Can be under a % of circumstances where the % may be too high for societies risk tolerance’ may be more applicable.

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Post by berkes »

hhjinks wrote: post #208
berkes wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

I think it's perfectly fine to assume that pornography might warp a child's view of sex and intimacy. The solution shouldn't be to force people to identify themselves, though. Parents have all the tools they need to shield their children from pornhub, if they so wish.

I agree that -without more knowledge- it's probably best to presume pornography might warp young peoples view of sex and intimacy.

But isn't that all the more reason to research this and educate people in this? So that adults can provide context and background? And to learn which kind of pornography is more dangerous than others in this? So that, with knowledge kids can be shielded from the stuff that's bad from them, and help understand the stuff that isn't?

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Post by ActorNightly »

Myrmornis wrote: post #226
ActorNightly wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

What age would you suggest having these conversations so that the kids' porn-viewing sessions can commence?

As early as 4. Not jumping straight to porn, but starting sex ed.

It works very well in Netherlands, where teens end up having much healthier relationships, fewer sexual partners, and less unwanted pregnancies.

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