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20 years ago, Microsoft Internet Explorer had settings for exactly what maximum age rating of websites you wanted to be allowed to see. I vaguely remember one of the options being "full frontal nudity". Were there separate options for sex vs. violence, or was that just my imagination?

Content Advisor, it was added in IE6.

You sure it was that late? Coulda sworn I was still at secondary school at the time, and I left there in summer of 2000…

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>Maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if they did something I don't get that. Why would it be good? Why should it ever be a webpage's responsibility?

There are some people who believe that access to certain services should be age-gated. Thus follows that a web page offering the service should handle this age gating, in the same way that alcohol sellers are responsible for checking that their customers are of drinking age. In the Real World(TM) this is a fairly uncontroversial idea. The Internet is very wild west on these things and that has lead to interesting out…

The analogy breaks down when you remember that everything you do on a networked computer is effectively public information. In a physical store, you can show the clerk your ID, they'll verify the birthdate, sell you the "secret item", and then forget your name & face the instant they move to the next customer. But to do the same thing online, you are associating your name & face with the "secret item" to literally everyone on the planet for the rest of eternity. The calculus changes.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some people who believe that access to certain services should be age-gated. Thus follows that a web page offering the service should handle this age gating, in the same way that alcohol sellers are responsible for checking that their customers are of drinking age. In the Real World(TM) this is a fairly uncontroversial idea. The Internet is very wild west on these things and that has lead to interesting out…

Where can one buy an internet connection without being at least 18 years old? To use your analogy, it is parents who are paying for the alcohol and then leaving it in a place where it is easy for their children to access. Responsible parents either teach their children about appropriate alcohol use or make it difficult to access, or both.

> Where can one buy an internet connection without being at least 18 years old?

Prepaid phone cards are a thing.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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>Maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if they did something I don't get that. Why would it be good? Why should it ever be a webpage's responsibility?

There are some people who believe that access to certain services should be age-gated. Thus follows that a web page offering the service should handle this age gating, in the same way that alcohol sellers are responsible for checking that their customers are of drinking age. In the Real World(TM) this is a fairly uncontroversial idea. The Internet is very wild west on these things and that has lead to interesting out…

> Thus follows that a web page offering the service should handle this age gating, in the same way that alcohol sellers are responsible for checking that their customers are of drinking age.

There's no practical way to check ID on the web. In your "Real World" the vast majority of the time checking ID is just some person that works for an establishment looks at a little plastic card with your photo on it and checks to make sure the birthday is before a certain date, then they hand it back to you. To do something like this online would require something much more intrusive to personal privacy and adds another pointless complicated technological solution when a much more practical solution exists. That solution being parental controls.

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The US is also planning a law that would make it illegal to use VPNs to skirt laws like this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/could-tiktok-ban...

No, it doesn't. RESTRICT empowers the federal government to enforce website bans, and provides for enforcement against efforts to evade those bans. This is a[1] Utah state law, and a voluntary ban set up by Pornhub itself to comply. Just not relevant. Mind you, RESTRICT is a bad bill, and those provisions are vague, and the EFF is right to be screaming about it. But it doesn't do what you think it does. [1] Hilarious…

> Hilariously and depressingly unconstitutional. Good grief.

How is it unconstitutional? I don't know the ins and outs.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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In other news, VPN subscription sales explode in Utah! easy sales opportunity

I was thinking about this. Do sites like Pornhub use DRM in their players? Asking because AFAIK browsers will pass a network ID that does not change when DRM is used. In Firefox it is in "about:networking#networkid" and they don't make it easy to change that. I believe Chrome has something similar. I think it also uses serial numbers? Could be I am mixing up identifiers used in DRM vs. browser specific integrations.

I'm not sure that's relevant. I assume you're suggesting that a user who had accessed the site from Utah could be perpetually flagged as someone who should be blocked. However, that would mean visitors to Utah or anyone no longer residing there could be permanently blacklisted unnecessarily.

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It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society, but short of blocking it there has been no proposals for rectifying the situation. IMHO society seems to have just shrugged its collective shoulders about it, especially about kids watching porn and the greater availability of it. I guess we should get used to a future where porn is freely available to ever…

> It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society

I have not heard of this consensus. Where can I find out about it?

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Tangential question: given the Cold War memes of the "red scare" and "better dead than red", how/why did the Republican Party decide to keep that colour scheme? I mean, if even the British Royal Family had to change its name from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the House of Windsor…

I can't vouch for it's accuracy, but it seems that the association of red/blue with republicans/democrats was only solidified in the 2000 election. https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Republican-party-choose-re...

I'm also seeing a variety of results saying that prior to that, the incumbent party was typically shown as blue on graphics, and the challenging party was red. In 2000, those colors lined up with the current party associations (Gore being a dem like Clinton), and that election cycle was a publicized enough election that the colors stuck to the parties.

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