Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
Why do you think that? I think it's a good thing for minors to have unrestricted access to porn
PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're proposing a technical solution to a political problem. It doesn't work, this should be fixed at the source.
How exactly it doesn't work? Not even China has been able to make their Great Firewall resilient to stuff like VPNs.
>How exactly doesn’t this work
I’ll show you: The next logical step would be to make it a crime of some sort to as a user attempt to evade the law. Maybe it’s even a felony to persuade folks to not to try. But the reality is they made the law just for political points and it never gets enforced it’s just there sitting on the books. Now years go on and you have been using vpn’s to evade the restrictions. Now 10 years later you decide to run for President and. a whole bunch of establishment politicians hate you for whatever reason. Now all of a sudden this phrase is really relevant: Show me a man and I’ll show you a crime.
That is why it needs fixing at the source.
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#203Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?
These are the type of questions that certain French postmodernist philosophers were asking around 1945.
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#204This all seems a little disingenuous. First, from their summary, it doesn’t sound like the law actually requires checking a photo ID. They’re treating it like some maximalist regulation that it isn’t—it requires them to do more than nothing though. And also > PornHub said that a better solution is to identify users by their device. Pornhub effectively does absolutely nothing to verify users’ ages right now. Maybe it…
The law is: > 72 (9) "Reasonable age verification methods" means verifying that the person seeking to > 73 access the material is 18 years old or older by using any of the following methods: > 74 (a) use of a digitized information card as defined in this section; > 75 (b) verification through an independent, third-party age verification service that > 76 compares the personal information entered by the individual who…
Use of advertising cookies to estimate the users age is missing.
Using advertising cookies is probably the most like real life. You look at a user and guess their age. If they might be under 18 you check ID
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#205The US is also planning a law that would make it illegal to use VPNs to skirt laws like this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/could-tiktok-ban...
Good luck with that ;) how are all those senators and congressmen going to watch porn with a law like that on the books?
Same way they do insider trading, pay-to-play, and cocaine orgies with laws against those on the books. The laws are for thee, not them, pleb.
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#206Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
You’ll get some angry responses to this but I think it’s very worthwhile to say. Yes, ID verification in order to watch pornography is deeply Orwellian and terrifying (which is the aspect places like HN tend to focus on) but the bulk of the public support for these measures isn’t because people want government surveillance, it’s because they want to look out for children. Are they misguided? Perhaps. But you can’t win them over without addressing it. Shouting “it’s government overreach!” at those people will achieve nothing.
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#207Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
Yes “think about the children”. If anything, there should be a law that forces all ISPs and even device manufacturers of “internet enabled devices” to have clear instructions on how to use parental controls.
This would be far less onerous since it’s already a feature they have and it protects privacy.
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#208Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?
I think it's perfectly fine to assume that pornography might warp a child's view of sex and intimacy. The solution shouldn't be to force people to identify themselves, though. Parents have all the tools they need to shield their children from pornhub, if they so wish.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#209Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.
But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?
I feel like in our society we're always beta testing everything before researching its effects, shouldn't we research the effects of internet pornography in kids before allowing them unlimited access to it? I think the same thing should be done with social media. There's obviously a thin line where you have to use common sense (where do we start and where do we stop?) but the consensus has always been that this is adult content just like violent movies and alcohol so it should be enforced in at least some way.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
That service would need to be run by a third party, which would know your id and the fact that you are trying to access pornhub, wouldn't it?
To be clear, I hate all of these ideas. But, I think Apple already does this. https://developer.apple.com/wallet/get-started-with-verify-w... "Information about past presentments — including where, when, and what personal information you share — is encrypted and stored only on your device. Neither the state issuing authority nor Apple can see your presentment history." https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213046
I see. My understanding of it is that apple gives you a signed letter saying that you're verified to be over 18. While it's possible to verify that the signed document is legitimate, if it's in any way tied to the person presenting it, you just created an id, no?