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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jmull »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #20

This all seems a little disingenuous. First, from their summary, it doesn’t sound like the law actually requires checking a photo ID. They’re treating it like some maximalist regulation that it isn’t—it requires them to do more than nothing though. And also > PornHub said that a better solution is to identify users by their device. Pornhub effectively does absolutely nothing to verify users’ ages right now. Maybe it…

> This all seems a little disingenuous.

Why do people always seem to use the word disingenuous disingenuously? :)

Obviously, the number of people willing to verify their identity and attach it to their pornhub searches and other activity is close enough to zero to make no difference to pornhub's business.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by berkes »

theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by vlunkr »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #181
vlunkr wrote: post #166

I hope these laws don’t devolve into a special internet for Utah (and maybe more red states in the future). Remember this is about social media too. This is eventually going to hit even Hacker News if the law is actually effective. Is HN going to jump through the hoops of complying with the law or just block Utah?

Realistically this is what Utah wants. Only 60% of Utah residents are Mormon, but 85%+ of their elected state representatives and senators are Mormon. They are happy to force the rest of society to carve out a space "just for them", which is pretty much in line with their entire history anyway.

There are conspiracy theories that this is actually all about “anti Mormon” content on Reddit (and apparently it’s big on TikTok?)

It’s a conspiracy that I could probably buy into.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by themitigating »

deet wrote: post #138

For those who think this is just a Utah peculiarity, it's not. There have been attempts in Europe: - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-porn-ban-digital-economy-... - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germany-porn-laws-age-checks And its quite related to other pushes for age verification for social media services, as Utah and states like California have proposed: - https://www.axios.com/2022/09/16/california-law-websit…

Proposed and enacted are a big difference. A single lawmaker can suggest or put forward a bill for anything. The majority voting to make it law is a huge barrier

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Eumenes »

phonescreen_man wrote: post #36
Eumenes wrote: post #12

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Hahaha yeah right, how is porn a scourge on society, it is a niche art that a minority of people engage in, at most a right of passage for teenagers to watch when they stumble across it. Although these days probably not as hard as in vhs times. There are far bigger things to worry about than the social impact of people engaging in consensual sexual activity for the film and magazine.

Did you just refer to porn as a niche art or right of passage for children? Yikes.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by themitigating »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #181
vlunkr wrote: post #166

I hope these laws don’t devolve into a special internet for Utah (and maybe more red states in the future). Remember this is about social media too. This is eventually going to hit even Hacker News if the law is actually effective. Is HN going to jump through the hoops of complying with the law or just block Utah?

Realistically this is what Utah wants. Only 60% of Utah residents are Mormon, but 85%+ of their elected state representatives and senators are Mormon. They are happy to force the rest of society to carve out a space "just for them", which is pretty much in line with their entire history anyway.

What about people in Utah who don't want this? You don't like porn don't use it. You don't want your kids to watch it, stop them. Restricting the freedom of everyone is unacceptable

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Marsymars »

brookst wrote: post #168
robertlagrant wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hilariously and depressingly unconstitutional. Good grief. How is it unconstitutional? I don't know the ins and outs.

Laws restricting speech must pass strict scrutiny, which means they are the lightest restrictions on speech that meet the government's interests. In Utah, it's clear that there would be less-restrictive ways to achieve the supposed goals of the law. For instance, jail parents whose minor children view pornography. That would not be a content-based restriction on speech. Since there is no way for a website to know the…

> For instance, jail parents whose minor children view pornography.

Does this seem at all practical to you? To me, this seems akin to dropping ID requirements at liquor stores and bars, and instead enacting a law to jail the parents of minors who drink liquor.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by BurnGpuBurn »

berkes wrote: post #193
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

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