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Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by raverbashing »

cycomanic wrote: post #157
raverbashing wrote: post #155

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But does the iOS app run directly on the iPad? (with a good user experience?) It does not run on watchOS without extra work, correctly? I think their position is kinda defensible here. Yeah maybe with iPad/iOS not so much, but for the other devices, definitely

That's a weird argument. Are Aldi supermarkets the same, "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2". It's still really the same and particularly they advertise it to be the same. I think there should be a hard rule, that if companies try to sell something as the same to consumers, they immediately loose if they try to argue they are separate things when it comes to reg…

But all Aldi stores sell the same stuff more or less

> "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2"

But that's not what's happening here

Is an iPad app the same thing as an iPhone app? Or a watch app?

If an iPhone app took minimal work to work on the iPad, then I'd say it's the same thing, sure

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by jd96 »

vultour wrote: post #153
jd96 wrote: post #89

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Far better to live in a low tax, failed state with extreme economic inequality. At least we’ve got Apple Watches, am I right?

Depending on your circumstances, yes.

Circumstances can change real quick. One of the benefits of contributing to society is that, if that happens, you won't find yourself on the streets.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by secretsatan »

threeseed wrote: post #65
fsckboy wrote: post #51

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> iOS/iPadOS does allow you to have one code base that dynamically responds to screen sizes. But almost always the experience for iPad users is terrible. are you saying the tools aren't there for developers to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps, or simply that the developers aren't able to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps? Or that designers can't grok the mapping between their equally plea…

There is no tool that can scale a mobile app to tablet size whilst maintaining a great UX. You need to optimise for the particulars of each device.

If you're brave, you can configure views for all sizes (portrait/landscape/iphone/ipad) using XCode's UI Tool with trait based constraints. When you get it to work, it works quite well, animating changes when switching from portrait to landscape, but if things go wrong, it can be a massive pain to debug.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by rsynnott »

gumballindie wrote: post #87
rpgbr wrote: post #66

Less than 1% of European iPhone users have an Apple Watch, or am I misreading something? I really thought this percentage was bigger in such a rich place.

All those riches are taken back as taxes. So while it sounds like europeans are rich it’s just on paper. But they take comfort in projecting their own status on similarly poor people from parts of europe that are developing faster but are bit behind since you know they only recently became free. It’s hilarious to observe and funny in a sad way.

I would bet on this being more of a cultural preference thing. In Ireland, which would have broadly similar incomes to the wealthier continental European countries, you see quite a lot of Apple watches, but, yeah, they do seem much less popular in, say, Germany.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by goosedragons »

raverbashing wrote: post #161
cycomanic wrote: post #157

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That's a weird argument. Are Aldi supermarkets the same, "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2". It's still really the same and particularly they advertise it to be the same. I think there should be a hard rule, that if companies try to sell something as the same to consumers, they immediately loose if they try to argue they are separate things when it comes to reg…

But all Aldi stores sell the same stuff more or less > "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2" But that's not what's happening here Is an iPad app the same thing as an iPhone app? Or a watch app? If an iPhone app took minimal work to work on the iPad, then I'd say it's the same thing, sure

You can literally run iPhone apps on an iPad and have been able to since day one. You can also run some iPhone/iPad apps on a Mac if the developer allows it. Often the iPhone/iPad apps are the same binary and the same purchase gets you both versions, you just get a different UI depending on the device.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by newaccount74 »

raverbashing wrote: post #155
newaccount74 wrote: post #143

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The App Stores share user accounts, send a shared invoice at the end of the month, and many of the apps you buy are compatible with multiple platforms (eg. my calendar app comes with an iOS, a watchOS and an iPadOS version). And the store is called just "App Store" on every platform. Claiming that I somehow used 3 different stores to buy a single app is an accounting trick, nothing else.

But does the iOS app run directly on the iPad? (with a good user experience?) It does not run on watchOS without extra work, correctly? I think their position is kinda defensible here. Yeah maybe with iPad/iOS not so much, but for the other devices, definitely

That's an implementation detail that the dev needs to worry about.

As a customer, I go to the store page on one of my devices, it says the app is compatible with my device x, y and z. I click the "Buy" button once. Then I get the app on all my devices. I get a receipt that shows I purchased one item.

But what Apple is saying is that I somehow used 3 independent stores?

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by blendergeek »

raverbashing wrote: post #161
cycomanic wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weird argument. Are Aldi supermarkets the same, "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2". It's still really the same and particularly they advertise it to be the same. I think there should be a hard rule, that if companies try to sell something as the same to consumers, they immediately loose if they try to argue they are separate things when it comes to reg…

But all Aldi stores sell the same stuff more or less > "no the one on 5th avenue sells vegetables in isle 5 and the one on 3rd they are on isle 2" But that's not what's happening here Is an iPad app the same thing as an iPhone app? Or a watch app? If an iPhone app took minimal work to work on the iPad, then I'd say it's the same thing, sure

I don't think it matter what the developers do on the backend. If I buy XYZ app for iPhone, does that mean I also have XYZ app for iPad (if its available)? If so, they feel like the same store.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by raverbashing »

newaccount74 wrote: post #166
raverbashing wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But does the iOS app run directly on the iPad? (with a good user experience?) It does not run on watchOS without extra work, correctly? I think their position is kinda defensible here. Yeah maybe with iPad/iOS not so much, but for the other devices, definitely

That's an implementation detail that the dev needs to worry about. As a customer, I go to the store page on one of my devices, it says the app is compatible with my device x, y and z. I click the "Buy" button once. Then I get the app on all my devices. I get a receipt that shows I purchased one item. But what Apple is saying is that I somehow used 3 independent stores?

Thanks, I was not so familiar with the behaviour of the app store for multiple devices like that

And yes, if you click buy once and get 3 different apps, then I'd say it's the same store

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by mardifoufs »

jd96 wrote: post #89
gumballindie wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All those riches are taken back as taxes. So while it sounds like europeans are rich it’s just on paper. But they take comfort in projecting their own status on similarly poor people from parts of europe that are developing faster but are bit behind since you know they only recently became free. It’s hilarious to observe and funny in a sad way.

Far better to live in a low tax, failed state with extreme economic inequality. At least we’ve got Apple Watches, am I right?

You are describing most European countries though, minus the low taxes part.

(I say this as a non american, so not really biaised in that way)

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by pjc50 »

thoughtpalette wrote: post #120
theseanstewart wrote: post #6

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> Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. What's special about 8.2.3 vs the latest firmware? I've only owned my Shield for a few months so I'm curious what I may be missing.

Class action suit against Nvidia for effectively removing local Gamestream from the Shield. Mine's a $200 brick now. [0]: https://www.classaction.org/news/nvidia-hit-with-class-actio...

I'm sad about this, because I use Moonlight for the same purpose, and there doesn't seem to be any good reason for this? It's just removing a feature.
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