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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by foepys »

wkat4242 wrote: post #859
iSnow wrote: post #776

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I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Well.. Germany did lobby very hard to not completely forbid ICE sales by 2035. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-05/germany-a... This was Germany the government, not the car companies. We're not perfect here in the EU either. But indeed the interests do seem more balanced than in the US in general.

This whole ICE thing is something even most of the German car manufacturers do not want. It was also not part of the coalition contract made by the government.

The smallest party (FDP) in the coalition went on a solo power trip against their partners. The partners relented because they need the FDP to fall in line with more important stuff.

Also worth noting that the FDP is currently getting voted out of more and more state parliaments because people are not happy with their work.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mantas »

asm0dey wrote: post #856
mantas wrote: post #772

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Side-loading may bite back in nasty ways. Tiny but locally required apps may use it to work around legit limitations. Pay-for-parking apps, shop loyalty systems etc. Yay for more spyware and api exploiting.

But if it's my choice to take these risks?

What if I don't want to sideload, but some app I really want to use it says screw appstore and sideloading is the only way? For example to pay for parking or use a loyalty scheme in some shop. Of course, technically I could use other means or avoid such businesses altogether.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

illiarian wrote: post #858
Temporary_31337 wrote: post #850

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Why so shallow? Don’t care for this particular feature, maybe but the broader fight is about ownership and control of the things you paid for. Sideloading is going to be nice for programmers as it will have to allow for more flexibility in what apps are allowed to execute

> Why so shallow? It's called being pragmatic > will have to allow for more flexibility in what apps are allowed to execute Of course it won't. There will be 1% of apps that do something that HN crowd will perhaps care about. The rest will be apps that try to circumvent privacy and security, and/or chase their own goal. Note how much speculation there is about Meta going the side-loading route.

You underestimate the size of alternative stores. I bet there's more than 1% of users that use alternative stores on Android.

That lightning cable on iOS is stupid, it only benefits Apple.

Both changes are more than welcome, although I don't use iPhones (precisely for this reasons - closed ecosystem, lighting)

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by quitit »

hurtuvac78 wrote: post #250

Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this. There is a great tool to increase security: the browser and its sandbox. You don't need to install anything fishy on your phone, and the sandbox rights coukd be sufficient for many apps. But as an example, Apple denies the full screen feature for websites and even PWA... only installed on…

>Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this.

Genuinely looking for evidence of this counterpoint you're making. As the evidence for the security angle is proven. iOS takes less than 1% of malware, Android takes nearly 50%, in between we have Windows, IoT devices and even MacOS taking more malware than iOS.

So where's the data that this strategy isn't working to protect iOS devices? I want to see it.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mrtksn »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #718
mrtksn wrote: post #284

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Could it be the case that B2B software is more susceptible to piracy induced revenue loss? I imagine B2B being completely utilitarian, thus "free" software would mean direct cost cuts. In B2C, generally, convenience is the king.

Talking to my peers I get the impression it's worse for consumer oriented software.

Would you like to expand on that? It's always helpful to hear another perspective?

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Post by dwaite »

candiodari wrote: post #752
evilduck wrote: post #750

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What? I've plugged lightning cables into pretty much any imaginable sort of USB-A socket over than last decade and have never encountered one that wouldn't supply a charge specifically to a lightning cable. Please, be specific with what limitations you're referring to because this is counter to all evidence I've ever been witness to.

They supply a charge fine, but no standards-based fast charging.

They support Power Delivery 2 and higher just fine. I believe the new phones will use 3.0 PPS as well to more aggressively tune for charging speed vs heat.

USB Power Delivery 1 was a disaster, launched years after Apple had moved beyond 7.5W charging. Android phones typically also ignored it, using Qualcomm's proprietary charging tech.

If you want fast charging, use the bundled USB-C cable to charge your iPhone rather than the USB-A ones from years ago.

To flip it around, what advantage do you think one gets with official Apple iPhone chargers? Do you know of any evidence that Apple promotes their chargers working better than others? And if none exists, why would they sabotage customers who were never educated that hypothetically only Apple chargers charge fast?

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Post by dwaite »

hailwren wrote: post #792
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

For those replying, I believe the parent was saying that EU phones are stuck with a physical SIM slot because of regulations. In the US, iPhones no longer have a SIM tray.

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Post by dmw_ng »

est31 wrote: post #770
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn't use USB-C, we still wouldn't have that requirement. Companies always maintain closest lobbying ties to the governments they reside in (at least if both economies are equally developed), and countries care less about companies that don't give many jobs to the…

The effort to standardize chargers in the EU began at least as early as 2009, 2 years after the original iPhone release and not long after peak Nokia.

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Post by dwaite »

madeofpalk wrote: post #684
kaba0 wrote: post #85

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What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

Why would you want it with only esim? Seeing as esim still works in iPhones with a phyiscal sim card slot, what benefits does dropping it get you?

the space can be used for additional hardware, additional battery, or eliminating it can result in an overall smaller device.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by crossroadsguy »

dwaite wrote: post #877
hailwren wrote: post #792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

For those replying, I believe the parent was saying that EU phones are stuck with a physical SIM slot because of regulations. In the US, iPhones no longer have a SIM tray.

I understood it but I would definitely want at least one physical SIM on my phone. It has served me well many times (and not limited to remote areas) when my phone is unusable and I can use my SIM on another phone with the lock PIN.
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