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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by rektide »

achenet wrote: post #746
rektide wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a three player world now, and Google wants a better web, Apple doesn't want a better web, and Mozilla is somewhere in-between, but increasingly playing the "privacy above all else" card too. In June 2020, Apple declared a bunch of APIs they will not implement ( https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-declined-to-implement-16... ), in a big press blitz trying to make it look like they were some noble hero. Web MIDI (…

Do you work for Google?

No. They didn't get back to me in 2006 after I submitted a pretty cool coding challenge project to them as a part of interviewing, & we've had no contact to my knowledge since.

They did support me in Google Summer of Code before that (2005). I believe they gave me $5000 for the summer. I am still working to ship open source software pursuant to those ends, on my own personal time, to this day.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mantas »

leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

Side-loading may bite back in nasty ways. Tiny but locally required apps may use it to work around legit limitations. Pay-for-parking apps, shop loyalty systems etc. Yay for more spyware and api exploiting.

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Post by cubefox »

wiseowise wrote: post #361
wildpeaks wrote: post #307

I wouldn't be surprised if Google pushes its own iOS marketplace: first by making an exclusive Blink-based Chrome to get people to open up their phones if they want to download "the real Chrome". Then there is little friction to get people to install more (because the hard part is already done), and they could even merge Android and iOS into a single marketplace for mobile apps.

> I wouldn't be surprised if Google pushes its own iOS marketplace: first by making an exclusive Blink-based Chrome to get people to open up their phones if they want to download "the real Chrome". Who even cares about Chrome on iOS? https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/north...

What does this graph have to do with your question?

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Post by rychco »

leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

Regulatory capture is so pervasive in the US that I’m afraid there’s little chance that the law will ever change to benefit consumers in a meaningful way.

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Post by roamerz »

pxoe wrote: post #730
roamerz wrote: post #715

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>>Apple being motivated by improving security are BS Their motivation is most definitely money now. Maybe not in the start though. Whatever their motives are though I’m super satisfied as a customer that they haven’t went down the android path of version calamity, an app store that I have zero trust in as an app buyer. Also tell me an android flavor the supports devices purchased 6 years ago? It’s a package deal. Hav…

>definitely money now wait, so it wasn't money before? when they ran all those ads and did all of that 'we're the only privacy company' marketing? i guess it worked really well. when some of it was kinda just, reframing of lacking features and capabilities, and their 'closed ecosystem/walled garden' structure, as 'more secure'.

I think is was more about the customer in the Steve Jobs era. And honestly I’m glad money is a component of it now. A financially healthy Apple is a sign they are meeting the customer’s needs. I bought into the ecosystem coming from Android for all the reasons stated. I honestly miss the ability to sideload apps and firmware but am willing to pay the walled garden price.

If you don’t like IOS in it’s current form don’t buy it but don’t knowingly buy it knowing it’s not what you want. Don’t be the noisy spoiled 1% of our society and try and make the rest conform to your ideals. Go choose something else to ruin.

If enough consumers vote with their wallet Apple will take notice. In this case that is the correct way to pursue change.

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Post by iSnow »

est31 wrote: post #770
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn't use USB-C, we still wouldn't have that requirement. Companies always maintain closest lobbying ties to the governments they reside in (at least if both economies are equally developed), and countries care less about companies that don't give many jobs to the…

I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim.

The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around green GMOs are so strict they basically killed the European market for GMOs.

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Post by iSnow »

mig39 wrote: post #757
DannyBee wrote: post #747

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Ah yes, that magic new port that dose something we can't do, but nobody can pinpoint what it is or why we need it. It's been a decade since a new port (lightning was 2012, usb-c is 2014). So apparently, they are doing pretty well! I think my answer here would "enjoy the next decade of benefits and worry about it then?"

When this was first proposed in the EU, the connected they wanted to mandate was the "standard" at the time. USB Mini-B. Which is now deprecated and a few generations behind. And the same arguments were made at the time. "Stifle innovation" and "what innovation, this connector is perfect. No need for improvement."

Well, obviously the EU authorities aren't as ass-backwards as people claim if they switched from mini-USB to USB-C, are they? So why would they be less flexible if USB-SuperNexGen comes out?

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Post by tough »

iSnow wrote: post #776
est31 wrote: post #770

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn't use USB-C, we still wouldn't have that requirement. Companies always maintain closest lobbying ties to the governments they reside in (at least if both economies are equally developed), and countries care less about companies that don't give many jobs to the…

I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

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Post by iSnow »

xenadu02 wrote: post #745
dagorenouf wrote: post #728

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Usb-c sounds cool for now. But what about when a new port comes out and Apple can’t use it because the EU still mandates to use the old one?

There will never be another one. Who would put R&D into something the EU might not approve?

The next one is actually already on the horizon and it's called Qi2

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Post by dfee »

tough wrote: post #778
iSnow wrote: post #776

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

Here you are: https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-takes-the-eu-hostage...
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