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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #839

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That's exactly the point, though: side loading is not something to worry about, since normal users won't and shouldn't care about it at all. It is not a threat to the Apple App Store. But it does allow for niche applications such as NewPipe and F-Droid, for technical users who know the risks.

Almost everyone in China uses alternative stores, like Huawei or Xiaomi; how else do you think malicious PDD app got on their phones? The same applies to other counties in South-East Asia. I have seen our app for Android repackaged with malware and uploaded to an alternative store and listed there with hundreds of thousands downloads.

> how else do you think malicious PDD app got on their phones?

The malicious PDD app is really, actually, published to the alt stores by PDD Holdings itself. It loads the exploit config and post exploitation modules from PDD's own CDN.

It's not the same repackage-with-malware shit plaguing China/SEA market since forever. It's first party.

And the Google Play version contains the same exploit delivery codes, though no real evidence that it was activated.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

I guess the personal Orange and corporate Polkomtel eSIMs I have in my iPhone are fake.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #582
post #255

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If your old phone was also eSIM compatible, you can just download the eSIM from your carrier like you would if you moved to any other phone.

> you can just download the eSIM If we disregard the fact that many older but still usable phones don’t support e-sim (which was the original point), what do you mean ”just” download the e-sim? At least in my country, getting an e-sim is a pretty involved process which requires secure authentication, and specifically in my case that authentication would be gone with the now-broken phone if one didn’t have the foresig…

Oh yeah, it's great that my car has a way to install a saddle on, because if the car breaks I can easily switch back to my horse.

Carriers are the real problem here, not letting you easily switch between a physical SIM and an eSIM in case that happens. Some do, but you usually have to call up, there are delays, etc. Ideally it would be an easy switch in their web admin panel.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #776

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I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Well.. Germany did lobby very hard to not completely forbid ICE sales by 2035. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-05/germany-a... This was Germany the government, not the car companies. We're not perfect here in the EU either. But indeed the interests do seem more balanced than in the US in general.

Also regulation to automatically limit speed of cars - the biggest low hanging fruit when it comes to safety and quality of life in cities keeps getting delayed and crippled because of car manufacturers want to sell fast cars.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #778
post #776

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I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

Like this?

Last month: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/business/france-bank-raid...

A year ago: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/29/deutsche-ba...

A few years ago: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/17/deutsche-ba...

Panama papers: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/29/deutsche-ba...

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I've travelled across Europe with eSims bought from Mobimatter, and I've also bought local Vodaphone eSim in Italy and some other operator Montenegro. In fact, I'm writing this from a eSim in my iphone while I wait for Airbnb to resolve issues with check-in on Cyprus. What are you talking about?

oh, maybe you have both? US iphones don’t have sim trays. Euro iphones do.

Yes, and I can have two sims active at the same time. Physical and eSim or two eSims.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Hasn't Apple always said the reason they don't allow sideloading was that it'd be impossible without compromising security? So are they claiming their European iDevices won't be secure anymore, or are they admitting they were lying before and that the real reason was nothing but greed?

Is MacOS insecure then?

I think most would accept that iOS is more secure than macOS. But to flip the logic the other way around and put as you did is a little disingenuous.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

The Netherlands also checking in, I have used eSIM for years, across various providers.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #811
post #770

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The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn't use USB-C, we still wouldn't have that requirement. Companies always maintain closest lobbying ties to the governments they reside in (at least if both economies are equally developed), and countries care less about companies that don't give many jobs to the…

Show me example of a thing that would prove it. EU has tons of regulation on cars(most of manufacturers are EU based) - ask any car manufacturer how easy it is to get a car sold in EU(not saying that tons of regulation is good or that difficulty of producing is good, but it is an example that goes well against your argument).

There is an argument that companies in mature sectors (like automobiles) advocate for increased regulation as a moat to keep competitors out since building a mechanism to comply is extremely expensive for new entrants.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #754

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USB-C itself was that "magic" new port 10 years ago. EU at the time was recommending standardization on the abomination that was micro-USB. Luckily they didn’t make alternatives illegal, like now, or you’d never have seen your much beloved USB-C.

Instead of mandating the standard to be used, they should've mandated that phone vendors agree on one standard, with a revision every x years or so.

The ideal is two or maybe even three standards. Having one means that upgrading to any new standard would never actually be possible.
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