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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mantas »

ok_dad wrote: post #768
mig39 wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When this was first proposed in the EU, the connected they wanted to mandate was the "standard" at the time. USB Mini-B. Which is now deprecated and a few generations behind. And the same arguments were made at the time. "Stifle innovation" and "what innovation, this connector is perfect. No need for improvement."

> When this was first proposed Well, it's a good thing they UPDATED the bill that eventually became law, right? I guess they could probably do that again, if necessary!

How long it took to pass it and how long it will take to update it? Meanwhile when a better port comes up, manufacturers will stay away from it because of this limitation.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by hailwren »

leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mrkramer »

Apple's exclusivity on allowing and deciding what goes on the AppStore and on the iOS was their way of controlling the user experience and their way to ensure future sales of iPhones. They didn't want that iOS, AppStore and iPhones get flooded with low quality apps. Similar way of thinking that I know of was Valve and Steam, where Steam users needed to Greenlit a game before it came to the Steam store. Imo Steam had a better approach because it was community based not exclusive like Apple had and has. The story of Jobs' and Apple's skyhigh care for privacy and security was more of a propaganda and a marketing strategy than a true care for users' safety.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by palata »

lxgr wrote: post #708
palata wrote: post #579

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Counter-example: I don't want crappy ElectronJS apps, but I don't have a choice. Discord/Slack don't have an open API that would allow a good third-party client. If I don't like PWAs but WhatsApp stops supporting anything else, how can I use WhatsApp without the PWA?

There are definitely too many crappy Electron apps out there, but at least WhatsApp have been working on a native macOS/iPad OS app for more than a year now. Last time I tried the beta, it wasn't really usable yet, but at least there is hope.

Nice! I'm always happy when companies make real native apps (in that case Electron can be kept as a fallback) :-).

What would be great would be for them to have some kind of API to let people write their own clients. Maybe there are big downsides with that (Loss of control? Having to keep backward compatibility?) but I don't really see them.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by selfmodruntime »

hailwren wrote: post #792
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

I googled but I couldn't find anything about this. Source?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by selfmodruntime »

nickpp wrote: post #754
DannyBee wrote: post #747

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Ah yes, that magic new port that dose something we can't do, but nobody can pinpoint what it is or why we need it. It's been a decade since a new port (lightning was 2012, usb-c is 2014). So apparently, they are doing pretty well! I think my answer here would "enjoy the next decade of benefits and worry about it then?"

USB-C itself was that "magic" new port 10 years ago. EU at the time was recommending standardization on the abomination that was micro-USB. Luckily they didn’t make alternatives illegal, like now, or you’d never have seen your much beloved USB-C.

Instead of mandating the standard to be used, they should've mandated that phone vendors agree on one standard, with a revision every x years or so.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Sayrus »

hailwren wrote: post #792
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

eSIM is available in France [1] on many brands and devices, including iPhones.

[1] https://assistance.orange.fr/objets-connectes/installer-et-u...

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by golergka »

hailwren wrote: post #792
leoh wrote: post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

I've travelled across Europe with eSims bought from Mobimatter, and I've also bought local Vodaphone eSim in Italy and some other operator Montenegro. In fact, I'm writing this from a eSim in my iphone while I wait for Airbnb to resolve issues with check-in on Cyprus. What are you talking about?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mrkramer »

AlfeG wrote: post #68
syrrim wrote: post #18

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They're presumably claiming that european devices will be less secure.

Or usability of this feature would be so frustrating, that no one will use. Constant security popups on every start, very limited available API for apps, etc...

That's why Windows is beautiful, all APIs are open for developers to use for whatever they want.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by jrockway »

neximo64 wrote: post #212
jrockway wrote: post #154

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I don't think things will be a problem. Distributing software is fairly easy; for most apps, uploading the app binary to their website as though it's an image file or video will be sufficient. And, then you get 30% more money for your business. It will be quite popular just for the cost savings. (Distributing software is not always easy, as game companies that have 100GB game downloads on launch day will tell you. Bu…

The issue about distribution is never the technical aspect you are describing, it's about getting people to visit that website/app store in the first place. If it were that aspect aspect companies like T-Mobile, Equinix, Vodafone, Orange would dominate it. Even after the the app store is available in Europe, these companies have no chance of success. That is what it looks like will be very undesirable because it will…

I'm not sure if the App Store is the amazing marketing tool that it's sold as. There are millions of apps, nobody is going to find yours.

The biggest problem with Apple's revenue model is that they want the 30% for people that aren't really benefiting from the App Store. Spotify built their brand without Apple, and if you want their app, you just click the link they email you.

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