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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Can’t this friend install something else on his phone ? Signal maybe ?

Cool. Does signal allow you to register without a phone number yet? Data-only plans with no phone number attached are quite common in some countries.

Telegram allows you to register without a phone number, as of recently.

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No, the second is perfectly fine. I pay a monthly fee for internet - and that's the admission fee I have to pay to access the service. And I get sent a modem/router - a piece of hardware - that I don't own, but that's only being lent to me. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Are other devices allowed on the network though? If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee.

> Are other devices allowed on the network though?

By default yes - but I can switch that to only allowing devices I whitelisted through the web interface. It's not full admin rights - but for my purpose it's sufficient.

> If your want to rent your modem, that's your perogative. But I don't want to rent my modem. And AT&T being a convicted monopolist set precedent that means they actually are not allowed to stop me from using my own hardware. And if I'm using my own hardware, I don't need to rent their modem, which means I don't need to pay their modem rental fee.

I agree that "bring your own modem" should be fully allowed (and obviously free of any rental fee - not that I'm paying any, the modem/router comes pretty much free with the contract).

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He'd then have to convince everyone else he wants to talk to to use Signal instead of Facebook. That's the hard part.

Install both? Migrate one friend at a time, starting at the ones you speak with most.

But then in this hypothetical scenario you’ve side loaded Facebook and it’s doing who knows what on your phone.

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Isn’t it a bit like the movies and music? Those who will steal will steal and those who will pay will pay anyway. There are great pirate movie websites where you can watch all the movies at about the same user experience or even better but Netflix etc are doing just fine. Piracy isn’t what it used to be but I do enjoy these sites. The real problem is the subscription fatigue and fragmentation. I won’t subscribe to al…

>Those who will steal will steal and those who will pay will pay anyway. That's not been my experience. Every time a crack appeared for my software sales went down. Every time I strengthened the licensing software sales went up. This is for B2B software, god knows what it is like if you sell to consumers.

I lost the access to Rubymine and switched to vs code. If I can't have it free, I switch. I won't post for it, it's not worth it.

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Cool. Does signal allow you to register without a phone number yet? Data-only plans with no phone number attached are quite common in some countries.

By providing Signal with any phone number at which you can receive an SMS or text message, you can register a Signal account at that other phone number. For example, you can create a pseudonymous Google account, register a Google Voice VoIP number, and use that as your Signal number. Or you can even use a free throw-away SMS account and use that number when you sign up for your Signal account instead of your real pho…

Orrrrr Signal could just fix their shit. Requiring phone numbers for this long is borderline suspicious.

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As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

I don't think those alternatives are the right ones. You can sell your iphone without any issue, there are plenty of stores around me offering to buy used models to resell. I'm actually contemplating buying a used model. Can't do that with steam games. I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no mor…

> I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no more new apps, it would be frozen in the state it's in.

You can hardly call that "working like it does today". It doesn't. When features on it inevitably cease to work or be interoperable, you're screwed. And every day, you're probably more vulnerable to crime.

If I buy a house, I can learn to maintain it and keep it secured. I can't do that with my iPhone.

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Hasn't Apple always said the reason they don't allow sideloading was that it'd be impossible without compromising security? So are they claiming their European iDevices won't be secure anymore, or are they admitting they were lying before and that the real reason was nothing but greed?

I suppose it's true in the same way that having knives in your kitchen makes it more likely that you might cut yourself. but a kitchen without knives kind of sucks so

I don't think kitchens should have knives. I want my parents to be able to eat, but with knives in the kitchen they occasionally cut their fingers and I don't want to have to deal with that. You could make it optional but before you know it they'll get knives anyway. Besides, most people eat processed food and don't want to make meals from scratch so this is only a problem for a handful of people.

(yes yes this is satire)

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This just shows that the App Store model is insufficient for user security, as the the security model was supposed to prevent malware from being distributed to users in the first place, no matter what malicious developers upload to the App Store. If Apple treats Xcode as App Store blessed because it believes it came from blessed sources like the App Store, instead of using real security measures, exploits will contin…

I can't give you a black and white response because I don't think the issue is as black and white as most seem to. I think the app store is a tool and I think it is a powerful and useful tool. Can the tool be used for good? of course. Can it also be used for bad? most definitely. Can it be wielded poorly? yes. I've used windows, linux, apple, and android, and I like Apple's environment the best. That environment is a…

It's an absurd argument. If you want to only install app store apps, then only install apps from the store. That's still possible you know, even if other people aren't forced to. That's why these arguments always boil down to bullshit about how you will be "forced" to use Facebook from outside the store and that would be terrible because being on Facebook on an iPhone is a human right or something.

If you like Apple telling you what to do, fine. Choose only from their menu.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this.

There is a great tool to increase security: the browser and its sandbox. You don't need to install anything fishy on your phone, and the sandbox rights coukd be sufficient for many apps.

But as an example, Apple denies the full screen feature for websites and even PWA... only installed ones. There's no good reason except favoring apps/appstore. For security? Works great on Android.

And you cannot use a third party browser, since they forbid that (all are Safari based)

Thank you, EU!!

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