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Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

braza wrote: post #85
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe -- at least in Czechia and Germany, where I've spent some time recently -- Vegan options are often higher-priced than the foods they're substituting for. Vegan cheese is more expensive, often considerably more expensive, than regular cheese from a deli or from Lidl. Vegan cafes, which have noticeably grown in popularity, are no less expensive than regular cafes. ...There are also a lot of "Loving Hut" resta…

Speaking from Germany, the perceived price offset between vegan options it’s more or less 10-15%. I would not state that is a cult ‘cause there’s a lot of people with genuine good intentions; but I would not believe 100% in all vegan options since the traceability regulations are not clear and those certification bodies lacks certain transparency regarding of its criterias versus government regulations.

No, I mean the Loving Hut chain is actually run by a cult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Hai

In Europe, it's pretty low-key, but still. In Asia, they have TVs in their restaurants that show their religious ceremonies on a loop, and the restaurants have a more temple-like interior décor.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by morsch »

xk_id wrote: post #41

Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…

Lots of people eat these products without being vegan or vegetarian.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by Reason077 »

mtkd wrote: post #7

> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…

Cow’s milk has bucked the inflation trend and fallen in price recently in the UK.[1]

Dairy farmers are also suffering significant cuts in “farm gate” prices they receive, due to a glut of supply amid weak demand.[2]

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65267367.amp

[2] https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/milk-price...

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by benjimouse »

mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

B12 and B6 for vegan me. As I'm male, and live somewhere sunny, I think iron and d3 are less of an issue. B6 has been linked to anxiety, so it's mainly an experiment to see if it helps.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by opan »

mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

I thought D3 was the non-vegan one and D2 was vegan.

edit: Double-checked, D2 is always vegan, D3 can be vegan but isn't always.

My almond milk has some vitamin D, and I have nooch fairly often which is very full of B12. I don't take any pills/gummies currently.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by plantain »

nibbleshifter wrote: post #68
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised with hormones etc. It's almost like you have a bias against the vegan alternative.. Edit: ok so I was not terribly constructive with this comment, so happy to elaborate. I'm pretty tired of this argument against vegan meat. The nutritional values of vegan meat…

> bad quality meat raised with hormones Luckily, these are pretty much illegal in all of European Union. Traceability regulations and the regulators being pretty on the ball with checking (even more so since the horsemeat issue years ago) mean we don't get such garbage in our market.

"Undercover footage that appears to show extremely sick cows being smuggled into a Polish slaughterhouse and sold on with little or no veterinary inspection has raised alarm about standards in one of the EU’s largest meat exporters."

Are they really that on the ball? Sounds like nothing changed after the horsemeat scandal.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/27/secret-f...

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by Eduard »

roenxi wrote: post #90
mtkd wrote: post #7

> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…

The headline seems to be mixing two trends in food randomly. The drop in meat & milk is likely independent of vegan trends - the $ figures are different orders of magnitude. This isn't substitution at all, so there is no reason to think they are interacting. Europe is probably being hit by some sort of hardship right now meaning people can't eat as well as usual. The UK seems to be being hit by an energy crisis for e…

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by jna_sh »

nunodonato wrote: post #28
jiggywiggy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not with you. But in most modern cities they are actively campaigning against meat, they are mostly using the moral card: you are destroying the planet. How fun.

what destroys the planet is not meat or non-meat. Its mass production of [insert food here]. I have fun listening the vegan arguments until they are shown how their over-consumption of avocados or soy-based foods has devastating or exploiting effects on ecosystems and people.

> or soy-based foods

The vast majority of soy production, particularly the environmentally destructive production that’s converting rainforests in South America into farmland, is for animal feed, not human consumption: https://ourworldindata.org/soy

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by psychphysic »

roenxi wrote: post #90
mtkd wrote: post #7

> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…

The headline seems to be mixing two trends in food randomly. The drop in meat & milk is likely independent of vegan trends - the $ figures are different orders of magnitude. This isn't substitution at all, so there is no reason to think they are interacting. Europe is probably being hit by some sort of hardship right now meaning people can't eat as well as usual. The UK seems to be being hit by an energy crisis for e…

Pure hopium.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by Reason077 »

_cenw wrote: post #88
mtkd wrote: post #7

> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…

Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…

Here in the UK, plant based milks are typically more expensive than cow’s milk, particularly if you go for the well-known brands (Alpro, Oatly, etc)

Typically in a corner shop you’re paying around £2 for 1 litre of plant milk, compared to £1.25 for 2 pints (1.13L) of cow’s milk.

That doesn’t seem to have dampened demand for plant milks, however!

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