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Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by GuB-42 »

kfk wrote: post #12

I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…

Vegans are usually aware of nutritional values and know how to have a healthy diet without meat, it may include supplementation (vitamin B12 in particular). Probably better than the average meat eater who doesn't care.

Remember that humans are omnivores, we are less picky eaters than most animals.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by iamapassenger »

mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

definitely B12. D3 because I live in Estonia and there is not enough sun all year. I get blood work done once per year, so far all good.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by bwb »

jiggywiggy wrote: post #26
bwb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a 0 or 1, prob good for you health wise and for the planet to eat a little less meat and a bit more veg. Just look at the data out there. This last year I am really decreasing how much meat I eat (ill never give it up although I am excited about ground cricket meat and trying that). I am doing it for my health, costs, and because its good for the planet long term.

Data is sort of wildcard argument. Doesn't has any value if you don't point to specific. Cashew cheese really is not better for the planet the local organic milk cheese. In north of Holland there huge patches of land only cow can grace the land and nothing else grows, and there is an abundance of the water. Yet everyone complains about milk and meat taking too much wayer, and that growing plants would be more efficie…

Sure, but buying a locally raised cow that is fed on local farmland is a lot better for the environment than steak from Argentina most of the time. The data around that is pretty solid.

I don't think cashew cheese grows in nature, i would never consider it vegetables and I am not advocating for processed foods. Merely stating that cutting down on how much meat you eat and eating more veg is better for your health and the planet. Well backed by data.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

rebuilder wrote: post #50
xk_id wrote: post #41

Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…

Seitan is gluten which is perfectly digestible, unless of course you are sensitive to it. The oat milks I see sold here are fortified with calcium and vitamins as well as iodine. No argument on vegan cheeses.

> Seitan is gluten which is perfectly digestible, unless of course you are sensitive to it.

However, gliadin doesn't get fully digested/broken down - it's about 70% of the protein in gluten.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by wirrbel »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #51
postsantum wrote: post #42

Sure, when you are priced out of meat and fish, you are turning to vegan options. I expect a similar headline in a few years (from bugbasednews): "Vegan Food Sales Drop in Europe as Insect Versions Hit Record Hight"

In Europe -- at least in Czechia and Germany, where I've spent some time recently -- Vegan options are often higher-priced than the foods they're substituting for. Vegan cheese is more expensive, often considerably more expensive, than regular cheese from a deli or from Lidl. Vegan cafes, which have noticeably grown in popularity, are no less expensive than regular cafes. ...There are also a lot of "Loving Hut" resta…

Dairy is heavily subsidized in the EU. When studying abroad in Canada I was shocked at dairy prices.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by ben_w »

deepsun wrote: post #6
mvdwoord wrote: post #4

Plenty to improve in food production, sure, but the current move towards hyper processed foods is dumb. They can take the animal meat (and eggs, and dairy products) from my cold dead hands..

Relax, no one is really considering meat foods to go away in the next 100 years or so. It's all about the access to the vegetarian and vegan foods to those who want it, and it happens to become more popular, so market adapts. But you present it like someone tries to take your food.

100 years is a long time, if they're not seriously considering it, they should.

That timeline is long enough to also include the serious possibility of basically any weird currently-just-Sci-Fi option: https://youtu.be/Z_ZGq8Tah0k

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by rane »

mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

Have you researched if choline supplementation is necessary?

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Post by nibbleshifter »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #17
kfk wrote: post #12

I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…

It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised with hormones etc. It's almost like you have a bias against the vegan alternative.. Edit: ok so I was not terribly constructive with this comment, so happy to elaborate. I'm pretty tired of this argument against vegan meat. The nutritional values of vegan meat…

> bad quality meat raised with hormones

Luckily, these are pretty much illegal in all of European Union.

Traceability regulations and the regulators being pretty on the ball with checking (even more so since the horsemeat issue years ago) mean we don't get such garbage in our market.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by matsemann »

nunodonato wrote: post #28
jiggywiggy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not with you. But in most modern cities they are actively campaigning against meat, they are mostly using the moral card: you are destroying the planet. How fun.

what destroys the planet is not meat or non-meat. Its mass production of [insert food here]. I have fun listening the vegan arguments until they are shown how their over-consumption of avocados or soy-based foods has devastating or exploiting effects on ecosystems and people.

But people (including you it seems) don't really understand the scale at which meat production harm the environment compared to vegetables. Yes, every mass production have problems, but with meat you need multiple times the amount of everything, because you first need to produce the food the cow or whatever eats, and then the meat production.

For instance, it's multiple times less co2 impact for me eating an avocado here in Norway that's been shipped half the globe around from south america, compared to eating meat from the local farm. The scales are just so incredibly different in production (vs transportation) that it's not to "gotcha" many believe to claim that something imported is automatically bad.

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Post by cracrecry »

Correlation is not causation. As a European myself here is another correlation that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that people in Europe are not buying as much high quality food:

After the politicians printed so much money in order to pay for COVID costs, general inflation has accumulated to 18% or so, split in two years of 8-9%.

Basic food after Ukraine disruption of cereal and oils and increment in energy prices went up over 30%.

The fact that buying buying basic food is 30% more expensive I believe has a lot more to do with people looking for alternatives, specially poor people that could not pay the higher prices anymore.

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