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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by izacus »

Lutger wrote: post #386
izacus wrote: post #270

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In what world would that make any sense? Like, seriously, how did you get from "Microsoft is pushing ads into the OS they own so they earn more" to "That means that they are spending money to rebuild their OS on top of another OS they don't own" ?

Earn ads mean they don't need to make money with the OS itself anymore, which means they can give it away for free, which means its important for it to be cheap, which means its better to use something free and built on top. Not sure I agree with the logic, but this is what I imagine the reasoning is. I don't think the reasoning applies when you still have market dominance, and MS still does on the desktop.

I also doubt it applies when you need to pay thousands of engineering ours to rebuild your OS on top of another kernel... despite already owning said OS and said OS being complete and stable.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by hparadiz »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #393
hparadiz wrote: post #108

I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. My work around was to setup a QEMU VM inside Linux where I provided the VM with the secondary M.2 as the main install drive.…

Any luck getting the Index to work on linux? I hacked away at it for about 3 months w/ Fedora but kept running into issues, random stuff like making sure the names weren't capitalized in files, etc.

It works but it's a buggy mess and the newest AMD GPU driver actually regressed and broke it. The most recent build of [Nobara](https://nobaraproject.org/) (a Fedora based gaming distro) works out of the box but if you update it ... You'll break compatibility.

I was able to get VRChat working but when I entered a world with too many avatars I'd see major issues with sound and GPU problems.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by retrocryptid »

2b3a51 wrote: post #306
72deluxe wrote: post #284

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They did help the entire world get work done for 30+ years so they can't have been too bad.

Sigh I watched a colleague once spend half an hour to get a classroom PC booted, mirrored to the projector, calibrated to the interactive whiteboard and a presentation converted to the whiteboard software. Endless reboots, popups about out of date software, error messages, popups from the system tray that had to be clicked on, popups from Powerpoint.... So over that 30 years we are talking how many lifetimes wasted?

How long did it take to get the Mac working with the interactive whiteboard?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

izacus wrote: post #270
qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #247

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I bet that there is already some Linux version reverse-developed inside Microsoft with a windows copy on top and a working compatability layer below.

In what world would that make any sense? Like, seriously, how did you get from "Microsoft is pushing ads into the OS they own so they earn more" to "That means that they are spending money to rebuild their OS on top of another OS they don't own" ?

I'm suddenly imagining Microsoft abandoning the Windows kernel and switching to a full Linux kernel in the future.

At that point, Windows would just become another Linux distro. We could finally talk about it being the year of the Linux desktop without it being a meme.

On one hand, it could mean MS could lay off a TON of staff since they don't have to maintain their own kernel and can rely on open source. On the other, it would likely mean that software designed for Windows could now easily be run on any other Linux distro with little work. For many people (especially gamers), there'd be no reason to use Windows anymore.

It's a pipe dream, for sure. If it happened, wouldn't it require MS to open source Windows, especially if they made their own modifications to the Linux kernel?

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Post by trelane »

regularfry wrote: post #442
trelane wrote: post #434

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Except for compatibility (which will always be questionable with proprietary formats), I don't think most folks actually need Word or Excel. Most folks aren't delving into VBA and such, they just need a bunch of interlinked cells with a little math.

Compatibility is 90% of the problem, though. While it might be tempting to think that most people might not need Excel, the important thing to realise is that they think they do , the people who are sending them spreadsheets to look at think they do , and your beliefs aren't going to change that .

Yep. But the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by ajoseps »

djbusby wrote: post #43
ajoseps wrote: post #19

the ads in the start and weather widget bothered me enough to switch to Linux for my desktop. I mostly use Windows to play games and Proton/Steam has gotten good enough that a lot of games I play now work on Linux. The only place I still use Windows is my laptop since battery management isn't as great... but if it gets better I'm hoping over to Linux as well there.

I'm on Gentoo with mostly stock kernel, Xfce and my battery life is pretty good! It sleeps and goes dim just fine. Lenovo Yoga6. But I had to swap they pieceofcrap RealTek WIFI for Intel - cause the rtw89 module has sleep issues (and that card generally sucks)

yeah , I've heard Realtek drivers have issues on Linux, it's very hit or miss. How did you swap it on a laptop??

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Post by Kwpolska »

369548684892826 wrote: post #408
369548684892826 wrote: post #240

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It’s not ‘pirating’ to not pay for Windows for quite a while now. The license is optional and I don’t bother with it on VMs.

For anyone wondering some details here [0]. You can now easily download the installation ISO directly from Microsoft, and choose to run it either 'activated' or 'unactivated', but there's no piracy involved. 0: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/get-windows-10-free-or-...

You can download the ISO from Microsoft, and an unactivated OS is usable, but this is still not a properly licensed copy of Windows, which constitutes piracy.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

conradfr wrote: post #378
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #362

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I would quibble about the fact that the screenshot functionality was stolen from macOS, but the thing that really kills me is your comment about File Explorer. My impression, after decades of Windows and now a decade of macOS, is that you just don't have to spend as much time with Finder in macOS as you do with Explorer on Windows. There's something about working on a Mac that simply alleviates a lot of the work of f…

Not OP but I hate Finder. I just want to see my folders and access them, let me do that ffs, why does that left panel hate me?

Yeah, it's frustrating that I can't easily just access the root directory.

I feel that MacOS tries very hard to hide the fact that it's Unix under the hood and tries to hide all the Unix directories.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #216
dustedcodes wrote: post #199

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They are not that different. Look at Azure and tell me with a straight face that it’s not the biggest clusterfuck of all time. Look at it. Azure is the single biggest reason why .NET developers have high blood pressure around the world. Azure is so bad people actively filter out jobs where the company uses Azure. The only other software which triggers this much aversion in people is MS Teams.

Let's be fair, I would also avoid any company that uses Microsoft Sharepoint!

Sharepoint is the worst piece of software I've ever used.

I think its central problem is that it doesn't know what it's supposed to be, so it tries to be everything, and feature creep has turned it into a slow, bloated mess.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by pauby »

varispeed wrote: post #254
smaudet wrote: post #167

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It is somewhat strange then that enterprise linux is not more common, you get stability and configurability. I mostly put this down to bad salesmanship/C*s tending to be effectively technological cavemen...perhaps there are backroom deals we are not privy to, though.

Most organisations use Excel and it doesn't work on Linux - at least you can't have a seamless experience for a typical office user. Some companies tried to use free alternatives to Excel, but there were always compatibility issues when customer or partner use Excel. I think if someone had created 1:1 alternative to MS Office (with all its quirks and bugs), then switching to Linux would likely be a no brainer.

That's why there's Office 365. It runs everywhere there is a modern browser.

Even Linux.

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