It really sucks because there are users who practically must use Windows. People with disabilities aren't considered within FOSS, so are left out in Microsoft's cold embrace. Luckily there's WSL, and I use that quite a bit with Emacs and Emacspeak. But it's nothing like having a full Linux OS with no ads using up CPU cycles and RAM. I can't even see the ads.
The Windows 11 Trash Party
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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#262Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…
> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant. Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.
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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Windows is definitely adware now. It's sad, isn't it? In many a Hacker News thread about the Year of the Linux Desktop, someone will inevitably deadpan how there's just no money to be made; there's no business model. It seems to me that the same is true for Apple and Microsoft. There's "no" money in the desktop itself, only as a value-add, via platform effects or via dark pattern monetization like this.
To be honest, Windows really should just rebase on to Linux. They can make their programs work on linux. But the OS isn't the future for Microsoft when it comes to profits. Their future is software and tooling. I don't follow MS's financials, but I bet their growth with Azure and Linux is far outpacing Windows license keys. I believe they have already indicated that Ubuntu is far more popular than their own server OS…
Rebasing on Linux would be replacing the great part (the kernel), while keeping the broken part (shell, ads, millions of GUIs, …)
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#264Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…
Maybe I’m wrong but Windows is “free” (as in beer) unless you want to change your desktop, and then you have to fork over 100 dollars (if you don’t just buy a license from one of these grey market sellers who advertise on youtube). It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft serves ads and collects people’s data to subsidize, at least to some degree the losses of not selling license codes for 150-200 dollars. This is…
I'd gladly pay 100 bucks for Win 11 as it came out. But since then it's just getting worse, it's buggy (frequent BSODs/freezes/not-waking-up-from-sleeps on my AMD desktop), Windows Update is still shit (it reboots automatically without even once asking, yes I know there's a setting; sometimes the update takes ages on one of my laptops), it's an uphill battle, very reminiscent of ~2010 Linux desktop era. Oh that reminds me, "i know unix", why am I using this? And then I installed Ubuntu on the desktop box, and it works. And Steam and wine works, and it goes to sleep and wakes up, and amdgpu driver works, and HiDPI works, and so on.
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
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Install Firefox?
Edge and Bing is quite compelling apart from that
Surely there's a registry key.
Or a utility with a funny icon, named in camel case, that fixes it.
Or a utility written by a demoscene group that somehow manages the behavior through a DOS TSR.
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant. Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.
I bet that there is already some Linux version reverse-developed inside Microsoft with a windows copy on top and a working compatability layer below.
they already have a compatibiltiy layer for "SQL Server on Linux", they had one for WSL1 (but WSL2 just runs in a VM), Edge already has official Linux builds.
And as Office moves to the cloud all they need is just a thin-client running Edge.
WSL2 already uses a VNC/RDP something to show Linux applications on the host, so it's not far-fetched to run the old legacy stuff in Windows VMs on Azure and VNC/RDP that to the user.
but I think corporate IT is still in love with group policies, and many fancy "endpoint security" things (device management for compliance), and they might be slow to change
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#267Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#268There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…
You consider 10 "good"? Maybe compared to 8, but not anything before. It's gotten consistently worse with each new version since ~XP. 8 was a massive nosedive, 8.1 a slight improvement over 8, and 10 roughly the same, and 11 another nosedive.
Compared to the mess that is Win11, and the previous agenda of Win8/Metro (locking down and dumbing down, replacing 'real windows' with a touch-centric mess), Win10 is wonderful.
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#269Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…
> Like what does it want to be? Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. It's an OS created for enterprise corporations to support and manage the actions of their employees in a digital world. First and foremost. Most MS products are. The ad platform is MS trying to find ways to continue growing profits. :D
My assumption is they want to pivot into Windows being really free of charge, with it monetised through advertising. Putting all this junk into the Start menu is testing the waters.
Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant. Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.
I bet that there is already some Linux version reverse-developed inside Microsoft with a windows copy on top and a working compatability layer below.
In what world would that make any sense? Like, seriously, how did you get from "Microsoft is pushing ads into the OS they own so they earn more" to "That means that they are spending money to rebuild their OS on top of another OS they don't own" ?