I'm sticking with Windows 10 for my development PC.
The Windows 11 Trash Party
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
I ran a debloating app on Win11 and I have never ever seen an app, even after countless installs. I am in Europe, so I wonder if there is also a different install here.
Word to the wise: "debloating" windows 10/11 does not make it stop collecting data on you and sending it to all Jedi Blue II participants. It just hides annoyances. If you are interested in a lean OS which you actually have control over, consider checking out GNU/Linux.
I want to but my main computer needs a lot of graphics/animation/design programs that only have a real alternative on Windows. Linux never had strong graphical contenders, for professionals at least. It’s in improving, Blender and Godot are great.
I do have a Pi, so technically I am halfway into Linux ;)
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This is a masterclass on how not to manage a widely used product. The MSFT stock price disagrees with you. Looks like they're managing it just fine to me.
The stock price has little to do with product quality, especially for a company like Microsoft with multiple revenue streams. That said, Windows OEM revenue is down almost 40% [1] — yes weak PC sales have contributed, but these days I suspect it’s going to be difficult for Microsoft to find enthusiastic PC buyers. Most buyers grit their teeth and spend time undoing Microsoft’s obnoxious defaults. [1] https://www.thev…
>The stock price has little to do with product quality, especially for a company like Microsoft with multiple revenue streams.
Product quality has little to do with profitability, and really isn't very important to the company that makes the product, except as far as it helps them make more profit. With MS, quality just isn't very important: their customers will buy their crapware no matter how bad it is, as long as it does what they need most of the time. Windows actually works pretty well these days (i.e., not blue-screening if you look at it wrong or wait 30 minutes like in the Win95 days); the complaints are mostly about adware now.
>these days I suspect it’s going to be difficult for Microsoft to find enthusiastic PC buyers.
Microsoft doesn't need enthusiastic PC buyers. There's hordes of people and businesses willing to buy their adware-laden OS for $reasons; MS can simply milk them for more and more money with things like ads and tracking.
Maybe next they can take a page from the budget airlines and car companies and charge people extra fees (or subscription fees) for generally-necessary add-ons, like networking/WiFi support, external drive support, etc.
>Most buyers grit their teeth and spend time undoing Microsoft’s obnoxious defaults.
Exactly. Why should MS bother making products people really want, or not annoying them with stuff like ads, when people are going to buy their crapware regardless? It would be a breach of their fiduciary duty not to take advantage of their customers with this situation. The PC market is saturated anyway, so there's no room for new growth; the correct course for them is to milk their existing customers who refuse to go elsewhere.
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#244Just disable the weather indicator (I bet there is a 3-rd party alternative), install the Windows Classic Menu to replace the start menu and you are good to go.
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#245In windows XP, microsoft learned their users accepted some abuse,e.g locked theme engine, plastic default theme, DRM. There were complaints, but users took it because where else to go? And to be honest, XP was still an upgrade coming from 98 and 2000 was not available for end users. Vista was an universally loathed disaster, but users took it because where else to go? Windows 7 was better, but still an UI downgrade.…
> Windows 11, ad ridden malware by any definition from 10 years ago. Users will take it, because where else to go.
2 of my last 3 jobs have offered MacBooks, something unthinkable even 10 years ago.
The majority of my friends kids (70-80%) have Apple devices (phones and laptops). A couple of them, surprisingly to me, even have linux and Chromebook laptops.
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#246I say it everywhere windows comes up, but if you're curious about Linux, please try Fedora. Or, if your friend insists it, even Linux Mint.
I'm a long time Linux user, and for the 1st time I've stuck to a version for a long time with Mint. For the 1st time, I found a distro that hadn't a bunch a little glitches and bugs popping out everywhere and that drove me nuts.
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#247Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…
> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant. Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.
I bet that there is already some Linux version reverse-developed inside Microsoft with a windows copy on top and a working compatability layer below.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Active Desktop and MS DHTML was awesome. Insecure as hell for "consumers", but awesome. VBscript/Wscript on/in the desktop as an application was really useful.
If containers had been a thing, many of the wild MS ideas of the early 2000s wouldn't have been actually crazy.
They were a thing, on mainframes, micro-computers, and a few selected UNIXes like the (shortly lived) Tru64 and HP-UX.
My introduction to containers was HP-UX Vaults.
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#249Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…
You think they can control it? Lack of design in Windows is a direct consequence of MS's inability to steer its process and product strategies. Multiple competing GUI teams, user experience, core devs unable to roll out features because of the number of stake holders, etc.
On top of that, Azure seems to have become the main platform, and most people that cared about their career have jumped from Windows into "Azure OS".
So Windows is left with the GUI civil wars, Windows old timers that cannot let go of COM (think ATL) and classical Win32, or new employees raised on UNIX workflows without any background on Windows development history.
See efforts to put WebWidget2 and Blazor everywhere, while key figures from WinRT are no longer around, designers with macOS only experience get into the Windows UI design team, CLI tooling instead of VS GUI wizards,...
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#250I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. My work around was to setup a QEMU VM inside Linux where I provided the VM with the secondary M.2 as the main install drive.…
I've been daily driving Linux for maybe around 5 years, and I only ever need to be boot into Windows when I need to use an android custom ROM tool. This is generally a flurry of activity over a day or few, and then nothing for months. I've just (re)obtained a desktop PC with a GPU, which I'm using as a Linux gaming prototype box with ubuntu 20.04 LTS running Steam, and I'm reliving some youth in playing through Deus…
If youean Obsidian, Heimdall on Linux is a pretty excellent alternative, you just need to be specific about which partitions you're flashing