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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by FridayoLeary »

fouc wrote: post #13
FridayoLeary wrote: post #9

One thing i find particularly obnoxious about windows is how they promote their edge browser. It would be one thing if it is well integrated into the rest of the operating system like ie. But in reality its pretty much indistinguishable from Chrome which, incidentally, is the only thing i've ever downloaded on Edge.

IMHO we should be boycotting all chromium-based browsers. Use Firefox or Safari (if on MacOS) as your daily driver.

My issue with ff is that when you load a tab, it's status is denoted by a horizontal bar moving from left to right which distracts me. It's beyond me why they don't use a rotating loop like the rest of civilisation. It's an incredibly minor thing, but it's the main reason i stick to chrome. A similarly trivial feature makes me dislike edge.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by wongarsu »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #14

I went out looking for how much the enterprise (or business) version would cost as I expected those versions would (hopefully) have all this crap removed. Am I wrong in finding you can no longer just buy the enterprise or business version? They want you to either buy a device with it on it or contact their sales rep? Maybe this has always been the casse and I never noticed because most previous versions didn't have t…

There is basically Windows Home, Pro and Pro for Workstations. There's also Enterprise and Education, but those seems to be the same as Pro for Workstations, just distributed differently.

Windows 11 Pro is about $150 from official channels, or $30 for a key from a reseller, and the key can just upgrade your Windows Home install. It doesn't automatically fix everything, but it gives you the group policy editor which lets you permanently turn lots of things off. It also generally treats you more like a responsible adult, e.g. giving you more control over windows updates.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by userbinator »

sho_hn wrote: post #4

If you've never used an older Windows, here is a Win 2000 in the browser: https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=win2k.cfg&mem=192&gr... (The Qemu.js post on the front page today lead me there via a readme link to jslinux.)

I wonder how much it would take to get explorer.exe and the rest of the UI (userland) from Win2k running on a newer version of Windows. Backwards-compatibility has been MS' strong point for a long time, and the majority of other applications from the 2k era would probably be fine on Win11 too.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by branon »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #2

This is mostly blogspam for this: https://thomasbandt.com/the-day-windows-died Which has already been posted to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35415758

I thought blogspam meant low-effort, SEO-optimized articles found on websites trying to sell you stuff. Small opinionated blog posts referring to other blogs are not really blogspam although I can see the comparison in an offhand sort of way.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by cowsup »

noncoml wrote: post #17
bigmattystyles wrote: post #14

I went out looking for how much the enterprise (or business) version would cost as I expected those versions would (hopefully) have all this crap removed. Am I wrong in finding you can no longer just buy the enterprise or business version? They want you to either buy a device with it on it or contact their sales rep? Maybe this has always been the casse and I never noticed because most previous versions didn't have t…

Can’t access the website, so don’t know what crap we are talking about, but Windows Pro for Workstations, which anyone can purchase, doesn’t have any third party crap installed. Only some MS crap. Much less overall.

We are talking about the MS crap, actually.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by throwaway8503 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
userbinator wrote: post #5

Windows is definitely adware now. Microsoft saw how much the average user would install, and thought "we can do that too"; of course, by being "official", their own adware is much harder to remove. Windows can show the weather in the bottom left of the task bar, which is nice I've never wanted that feature nor found it appealing. I can just look outside if I want to know the weather where I am, or visit a site otherw…

Yeah but what percentage of users wanted that feature? Microsoft probably knows.

It's useful as an excuse for the OS to be continuously connected to the internet, which elides nicely into connecting to the internet for search results when you type something in the searchbox.

And you can't argue that it's /useless/. It's more information, and, ceteris paribus, more information is better.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by kevingadd »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #10
Waterluvian wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but what percentage of users wanted that feature? Microsoft probably knows.

Well it is actually a rather useful feature even if op doesn't like it.

Personally I use the weather app a lot, but I disabled that godawful taskbar icon the moment it appeared due to the performance hit and the way that it blasts you with right-wing clickbait the moment you click on it. A good version of it would definitely be enabled personally.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by prox »

userbinator wrote: post #5

Windows is definitely adware now. Microsoft saw how much the average user would install, and thought "we can do that too"; of course, by being "official", their own adware is much harder to remove. Windows can show the weather in the bottom left of the task bar, which is nice I've never wanted that feature nor found it appealing. I can just look outside if I want to know the weather where I am, or visit a site otherw…

I ran a debloating app on Win11 and I have never ever seen an app, even after countless installs. I am in Europe, so I wonder if there is also a different install here.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by adithyassekhar »

Edit: I'm comparing it with Windows 10. For me it felt like Microsoft lost it's way after 8.1 and now coming back to the Windows 7 way of things. Design wise aero looks similar.

Windows 11 has been the most beautiful most stable and consistent windows I've ever used. It feels like a modern and rock stable update of Windows 7. I never got a blue screen or anything bad.

Finally it feels like Microsoft is trying to make everything feel part of a single os. Of course there's 30 years of baggage but they are moving at break neck speeds compared to past windows to change everything.

Content on the desktop is something the younger generation actually wants, for people who don't want it, it's shockingly easy to disable everything from settings ang revert to the old windows look. But I do agree with the author about the widget. Although I can't confirm because I've disabled the weather widget when I installed windows.

There are "recommended apps" on the start menu then again most are apps people want to install. In fact the "apps" in start menu aren't really apps, they are not installed. You can click on them to download and install or remove it.

The new context menu is atleast consistent design wise with the rest of the operating system. Applications need to be updated to integrate with it. For those apps which don't update for it, you can still set the old context menu through registry or use the "Show more options" button occasionally. Depends on your needs. I use the old context menu. Notepad++ recently updated to support Windows 11 context. Saw it in a changelog, I don't use the new context so can't say for sure.

The settings app is way better than Windows 10 settings app, I rarely have to use the control panel. Only to change the power profile settings.

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