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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by hardware2win »

hyperman1 wrote: post #239

In windows XP, microsoft learned their users accepted some abuse,e.g locked theme engine, plastic default theme, DRM. There were complaints, but users took it because where else to go? And to be honest, XP was still an upgrade coming from 98 and 2000 was not available for end users. Vista was an universally loathed disaster, but users took it because where else to go? Windows 7 was better, but still an UI downgrade.…

>Vista was an universally loathed disaster, but users took it because where else to go?

Who? "Nobody" used Vista except eg schools.

Same with 8

Maybe for me it feels diffetent maybe thats country difference, but the windows migration felt like: xp 7 10 ... 12?

People were using xp and 7 as long as they could

>In windows XP, microsoft learned their users accepted some abuse,e.g locked theme engine, plastic default theme

No idea what you are talking about, what do you mean?

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Post by aembleton »

richjdsmith wrote: post #102

Windows 11 has made me hate my computer. I have a top end surface book pro and it lags every day. Things like opening the calculator or file explorer are a test of patience and my patience has been tested daily. I loathe windows 11 and regret the day I installed it.

If you installed it yourself, why can't you install something else?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by dacryn »

dustedcodes wrote: post #199
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

They are not that different. Look at Azure and tell me with a straight face that it’s not the biggest clusterfuck of all time. Look at it. Azure is the single biggest reason why .NET developers have high blood pressure around the world. Azure is so bad people actively filter out jobs where the company uses Azure. The only other software which triggers this much aversion in people is MS Teams.

it's insane how good Microsoft sales people are, if they manage to make Azure sell this well when GCP and AWS are objectively better at basically everything, including cost considerations.

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Post by varispeed »

smaudet wrote: post #167
StillBored wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, few enterprises have asked for any of this trash either. I'm pretty sure that most of them would be perfectly happy with a windows 98 style GUI, that supported modern hardware. They don't want all this churn either, they want something that is stable, doesn't change very fast and doesn't require them to constantly retrain their staff or waste their IT admins time fighting with whatever new options require a new…

It is somewhat strange then that enterprise linux is not more common, you get stability and configurability. I mostly put this down to bad salesmanship/C*s tending to be effectively technological cavemen...perhaps there are backroom deals we are not privy to, though.

Most organisations use Excel and it doesn't work on Linux - at least you can't have a seamless experience for a typical office user.

Some companies tried to use free alternatives to Excel, but there were always compatibility issues when customer or partner use Excel.

I think if someone had created 1:1 alternative to MS Office (with all its quirks and bugs), then switching to Linux would likely be a no brainer.

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Post by animesh »

richjdsmith wrote: post #102

Windows 11 has made me hate my computer. I have a top end surface book pro and it lags every day. Things like opening the calculator or file explorer are a test of patience and my patience has been tested daily. I loathe windows 11 and regret the day I installed it.

My work installed Windows 11 to fix a drivers issue. After 2 days of understanding most of the quirks, I tried installing the same on my personal desktop. The installed failed with some random bsod. It gave me an option to rollback to Windows 10 thankfully. I will stay with 10 for as long I can.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by tokai »

gondaloof wrote: post #106
donohoe wrote: post #86

I took a shirt-term job a few years back and tried giving Windows a go after many many years absence. Never again. Wow. It’s stagnated in many respects and its leading innovations are, sadly, hostile to users. I was very surprised.

> It’s stagnated in many respects You can’t say that with a straight face when the Finder on Mac has seen absolutely zero change since 2008. Windows Vista’s file controls blow every OS out of the water. I’m an Apple user and honestly I don’t remember the last useful feature added other the Universal Clipboard. I asked ChatGPT for a rundown and I just see a list of “moved things around and refreshed the UI”

> I asked ChatGPT for a rundown and I just see a list of “moved things around and refreshed the UI”

Why would you even admit that? Embarrassing.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

I'm sometimes still surprised that some people can find reasons to defend even that. Windows is horrible, it started to derail ever since Windows 8 came into the picture.

This is an OS that does not respect its user. This is an OS that normalizes hostile software design, and makes it acceptable. This is an OS that spits in its users' faces and the users can do nothing about it. It's partly the user's fault as well. I used to use Windows, increasingly disliked it every day yet did nothing about it. Moving to Linux was one of the best decisions I ever made.

The grass really is greener on the other side, especially when you're standing in the Windows garden.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by signaru »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #132
charles_f wrote: post #100

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

Windows 8 + OpenShell was great. Since you didn't have to deal with the stupid Metro crap, Windows 8 was pretty much just like Windows 7.

I just tested now and OpenShell (release 4.4.170 at this time) does work for Win 11, albeit needing some tweaks.

The start button image has to be replaced so that the replacement intercepts mouse clicks.

Still far better than the MS start menu fetching internet garbage instead of just launching an app as it's supposed to.

For those who know Classic Shell, Open-Shell is its successor.

Open-Shell: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

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Post by orwin »

jwagenet wrote: post #217
smaudet wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is somewhat strange then that enterprise linux is not more common, you get stability and configurability. I mostly put this down to bad salesmanship/C*s tending to be effectively technological cavemen...perhaps there are backroom deals we are not privy to, though.

And, you know, a ton of critical software that doesn’t run on Linux.

It's good enough for French military.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by blibble »

cfinnberg wrote: post #198
0000000000100 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

> Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I think that has not been true for a long time. At least if you are using UEFI. Windows respects UEFI enough to just change own stuff in the EFI partition. Windows will change the default boot entry to itself at installation time, but so every Linux distro do. Notice that nowadays you can install Windows *after*…

I had Windows 10's installer try to install its bootloader into a Windows dynamic disk volume, which trashed the volume

rather than trust the quality of Microsoft's software: the general rule is to unplug anything other than the drive you're installing onto

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