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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by krade »

philistine wrote: post #345
tapoxi wrote: post #3

What's Sundar's goal for Google? They seem to be aimless since he took the helm.

It's werid to me that no one has made the self-evident comparison: Sundar is like Steve Ballmer was for Microsoft. Coming in right after the founders and trying to raise the moats of the exisiting products instead of creating new moats. Google Stadia is a similar failure to Ballmer's late Windows Live initiatives.

Bad comparison. Ballmer launched Azure, Surface, Bing, Xbox and Office on iOS and Office365. He was also the one go all-in on the cloud and to start the shift towards embracing Open Source. Pretty much everything that people attribute to Nadella either launched or started under Ballmer.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by mort96 »

CRConrad wrote: post #717
mort96 wrote: post #423

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I had an example recently: I wanted to learn more about how certificate-based WiFi authentication worked. In the past, I would have used Google to find some resources on it, probably find that the relevant standard is called 802.1x, used Google to find the relevant Wikipedia article, skimmed that, etc. But instead of doing that, I just asked ChatGPT the specific questions I needed the answer to. When you're asking ge…

> In the past, I would have used Google to find some resources on it, probably find that the relevant standard is called 802.1x, used Google to find the relevant Wikipedia article, skimmed that, etc. And apparently you didn't quite notice the particular inefficiency there... > But instead of doing that, I just asked ChatGPT the specific questions I needed the answer to. Yeah, sure, if you want to vet hallucinations i…

But that's the thing. I can't ask Wikipedia targeted questions. I have to read through the whole article or try to skim to the right points, if the article even covers the exact question I have.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by P_I_Staker »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #335
bachmeier wrote: post #212

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> Now that AI has upset the applecart, they can use Bing to choke off Google's airsupply. It's more like Google has to change from optimizing for next week's revenue numbers to optimizing for user experience. People have been saying for years that their search results are trash. That we haven't seen a response from Google may be an indicator that they aren't able to return useful search results.

'People have been saying for years that their search results are trash'. Have they? I hear people say this on Hacker news but i've never heard it anywhere else, people seem to be using the internet just fine with Google as there main search engine, what is the alternative? Bing? It's still trash and Bing Chat is like a worse version of ChatGPT, I don't see it replacing Google currently.

They've been pretty good about making some results on the first page be better than competition still, and with niche search features IME.

If I want to find artists, lyrics, locations, results of sporting events, other special events... I'm not sure all the things, but DDG doesn't even compare.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by w0m »

tadfisher wrote: post #575
paulpan wrote: post #467

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The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

If Samsung really wasn't happy, they wouldn't be manufacturing Google's phones and providing custom silicon. I think the Pixel phones are a blip on Samsung's radar in terms of competition.

Samsung also tried to push their own mobile OS for a long while after android become dominant. Samsung is large enough that it's hard to tell overarching strategy though.

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Post by bfrog »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #687
xiphias2 wrote: post #500

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I have been there and seen the destruction (all meetings were about political correctness, we weren't able to discuss anything that was really important). The best are / were there before they quit to create companies, like OpenAI because it was easier than changing management. Also I bet Sam Altman would be able to reverse a binary tree (it's a trivial recursion) even if he was never at Google: it's just part of bei…

FAANG really only asks how to mirror a binary tree in interviews?

no, its a joke because the creator of homebrew couldn't do it and didn't get the job at google, despite making something immensely useful.

There's also this gem of how google wanted one of the creators of C to take a C test https://www.theregister.com/2010/04/21/ken_thompson_take_our...

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Post by ipaddr »

smackeyacky wrote: post #611
ipaddr wrote: post #580

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Musk was on the air this week talking about how the current AI is biased on the left as he promotes his new AI company

Lets laugh and watch him make the "truth social" of AI, hopefully setting fire to another few billion in the process.

People laughed at paypal, tesla and spacex. Now he owns twitter.

Being the richest gives someone a lot of power to make others look foolish

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Post by siquick »

Spivak wrote: post #654
Kye wrote: post #634

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Not any use to me (not a developer), but it's cool there are niche search engines for stuff like this.

Ignore the tagline, it's a general purpose search engine with some features for code.

Yeah that seems an unnecessary tagline - it works great for everything in my experience

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by uejfiweun »

mirker wrote: post #587
uejfiweun wrote: post #540

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Gonna have to disagree about GPT. I’ve been using it as a tutor to learn ML on the side, and it’s literally the best tutor I’ve ever had.

Sure, I agree they are useful. My objection is it’s more in the tool category than science, while Alphafold is both. There isn’t convincing evidence that GPTs are pushing what we know; rather, they make it easier to process/search what we already know. You could hire an ML expert to be your tutor without GPTs and you’d get equal or better tutoring, though at a higher price. You can’t hire people to predict protein fo…

I see what you're saying. However, I'd argue that the zero-shot learning capabilities of the latest GPTs, if continually improved upon, could potentially offer a path towards a generalist "scientist" agent, one that could perform its own research and take over R&D for humanity (aka, the singularity). But yes, I absolutely agree that the current gen capabilities of GPTs are nowhere close to this hypothetical situation.

Of course, the models from Alphabet don't really fit this bill either. I do wonder how many "protein folding" style problems there are out there, for these narrow superintelligent AIs to solve.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by CRConrad »

mort96 wrote: post #732
CRConrad wrote: post #717

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> In the past, I would have used Google to find some resources on it, probably find that the relevant standard is called 802.1x, used Google to find the relevant Wikipedia article, skimmed that, etc. And apparently you didn't quite notice the particular inefficiency there... > But instead of doing that, I just asked ChatGPT the specific questions I needed the answer to. Yeah, sure, if you want to vet hallucinations i…

But that's the thing. I can't ask Wikipedia targeted questions. I have to read through the whole article or try to skim to the right points, if the article even covers the exact question I have.

A) Wikipedia articles have chapters with headings.

B) Your browser (most probably) has a search function.

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