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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by mark_l_watson »

kagevf wrote: post #529
mark_l_watson wrote: post #356

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Even though I have invested heavily in Apple's sandbox world, I am very impressed by ChromeOS and inexpensive Chromebooks by 3rd parties. I have close to the cost of a car invested in Apple gear, yet, if I had to I could do all of my writing and coding on the very inexpensive Lenovo Duet Chromebook I bought a year ago. The Linux container support is OK, and I usually use remote servers anyway. For search, Bing + Chat…

> I usually use remote servers anyway Sorry for the OT question - do you use slime-tramp? And if so, do you have a way to use M-. (slime-edit-definition) without having to re-compile files using the remote paths?

I usually use Mosh (instead of SSH) and have a nice Emacs setup on remote servers. If I am using an iPad Pro instead of a laptop, I have Emacs on remote servers configured with Mosh to accept virtual mouse clicks (by tapping the iPad screen) to jump around source files and scrolling with screen gestures. This might seem awkward, but it is not.

For Common Lisp, running Emacs on a remote server instead of slime-tramp has always been good enough. Would you suggest I try slime-tramp?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by tadfisher »

kmlx wrote: post #249
chankstein38 wrote: post #225

Maybe an unpopular opinion but it feels like Google is near useless anymore. Between results containing outdated or broken links to empty discussions, and ads being their main priority as well as "fuzzy search results" where you can search for one thing and get something completely unrelated because Google decided you also meant to search for something else that is possibly contextually adjacent, I can't really get g…

> Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate but Google's results rely on some random person somewhere to have properly answered something. i don't know about your experience with chatgpt, but to me it's been untrustworthy. so much so that every answer i get needs to be double checked against google and that "random person".

I think Reddit has a golden opportunity here, considering how often I prefix searches with "site:reddit.com" to filter out SEO bullshit and usually get an answer from a subject-matter expert in the top ten results. They could even tie an LLM into it and regurgitate the highest-voted comment, and it would likely be more effective than Google or GPT.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by JohnFen »

jabradoodle wrote: post #429
JohnFen wrote: post #306

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> To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop. I've switched about a dozen average users to Linux from Windows, and they have all been happy with the change and have not switched back. Based on that, I say that Linux absolutely is usable as a daily driver desktop. The only place I can see where Linux might not be the right choice is with a certain class of gamer -- but those g…

If it takes someone to show you how, it is not there yet. I know many technical people who can't be bothered to deal with Linux on the desktop due to driver issues et al For it to be ready to be a mainstream desktop, it needs to just work.

> If it takes someone to show you how, it is not there yet

Installing Windows is a more complicated and confusing job than installing Linux. The people who have to be shown how to install Linux also have to be shown how to install Windows.

The fact is that I don't really show them how to install and configure this stuff -- it's really very easy. What I do is hold their hand to get them past the fear of the unknown.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by vanviegen »

rchaud wrote: post #440
vanviegen wrote: post #377

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Reminds me of Knoll’s law of media accuracy: “everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge”. Humans are pretty good bullshitters too!

Newspapers print their errata though. Does ChatGPT ever admit to making a mistake?

Errata are extremely rare. Gross misrepresentations and errors are not, unfortunately.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by tadfisher »

paulpan wrote: post #467
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

If Samsung really wasn't happy, they wouldn't be manufacturing Google's phones and providing custom silicon. I think the Pixel phones are a blip on Samsung's radar in terms of competition.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

rchaud wrote: post #440
vanviegen wrote: post #377

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Reminds me of Knoll’s law of media accuracy: “everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge”. Humans are pretty good bullshitters too!

Newspapers print their errata though. Does ChatGPT ever admit to making a mistake?

All the time, but only when prompted. You have to have a conversation with it and provide more detail which exposes the flaws in its previous answers, then it will happily apologize for its mistakes. (For me, this usually looks like me pasting an error message that its code caused.)

I really hope they find a way to have it apply context from future conversations such that when it learns the error of its ways it emails you a retraction, but that's probably a ways out because humans can't be trusted to not weaponize such a feature into sending spam.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by notfed »

tadfisher wrote: post #572
kmlx wrote: post #249

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> Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate but Google's results rely on some random person somewhere to have properly answered something. i don't know about your experience with chatgpt, but to me it's been untrustworthy. so much so that every answer i get needs to be double checked against google and that "random person".

I think Reddit has a golden opportunity here, considering how often I prefix searches with "site:reddit.com" to filter out SEO bullshit and usually get an answer from a subject-matter expert in the top ten results. They could even tie an LLM into it and regurgitate the highest-voted comment, and it would likely be more effective than Google or GPT.

Stackexchange, yes

But IME most reddit comments are the opposite of professional.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Arnt »

ant6n wrote: post #86
Arnt wrote: post #70

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The next person over cares about sports and boobies. By which I mean spectator sports and, uhm, spectator boobies. Is the last thing I'd want really results different from my neighbour?

For the same query?

Query results are more diverse than you might expect. I once worked in a startup whose name we thought was unique, but in actual fact there were nine other similarly-named companies in the same city, not to mention names of non-local companies, organisations, products, objects…

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by realusername »

tadfisher wrote: post #572
kmlx wrote: post #249

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> Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate but Google's results rely on some random person somewhere to have properly answered something. i don't know about your experience with chatgpt, but to me it's been untrustworthy. so much so that every answer i get needs to be double checked against google and that "random person".

I think Reddit has a golden opportunity here, considering how often I prefix searches with "site:reddit.com" to filter out SEO bullshit and usually get an answer from a subject-matter expert in the top ten results. They could even tie an LLM into it and regurgitate the highest-voted comment, and it would likely be more effective than Google or GPT.

I've been saying it for a while, you could basically replace entirely google with a 10k websites index and get above their quality of results 90% of the time.

It's hard to explain how bad the quality dropped.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ipaddr »

sho_hn wrote: post #464
thatguy0900 wrote: post #444

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I think the problem is Google is also pretty crummy. Ai is in a golden age without poisoned data right now. But wait until Bing gets popular and blackhat seo types start poisoning chatgpt. It will stop being useful, and I suspect in a way that will be unfixable since these language models are so hard to wrangle.

There's another side to that medal: At the moment nobody takes any issue with OpenAI doing filtering and curation in deciding what is part of their training data set, aside from perhaps the anti-bias crowd. "AI neutrality" is not yet a topic. Yet.

Musk was on the air this week talking about how the current AI is biased on the left as he promotes his new AI company
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