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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Can confirm, having used several android phones across the last decade I can tell the most consistent Android experience is delivered by Samsung

Try a Pixel. None of the Samsung bloat and most importantly, no Bixby constantly getting in the way of the vastly superior Google Assistant already baked into android.

Samsung is consistent but with bloats. Pixel is somewhat inconsistent with very few bloats.

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I'd call being half of Azure's market share today a failure. Hell, they were better-positioned than Amazon to offer an AWS-like product when AWS itself came out.

Not so sure about that. Their infrastructure is highly customized down to the PCB. They were designed in-house for Google's workloads, AFAIK. Did Amazon have the same constraints?

Apparently not. According to Steve Yegge's letter about Google+ (copy at https://gist.github.com/chitchcock/1281611), one of the mandates Jeff have asked is to ensure that "All service interfaces, without exception, must be designed from the ground up to be externalizable. That is to say, the team must plan and design to be able to expose the interface to developers in the outside world. No exceptions.", while on the same letter his impression of Google is basically on the other side of Amazon's spectrum, even describing how bad Google's documentation at the time compared to Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft.

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> just buy Canonical or something Canonical doesn't really make any things that are considered part of a desktop OS. Ubuntu is just a package (and some argue a bad one) of things made by other people. There's very little value in the Linux desktop and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You're probably best re-inventing the wheel if you want a Windows competitor, like Google did with ChromeOS.

> There's very little value in the Linux desktop There's a tremendous amount of value in the Linux desktop. It's used to do amazing things every day. What you mean is that it's very hard to turn it into a business model, which I'd agree with. But these are not the same in the world.

Valve turned it into a business model just fine. Their long-term goal is to not be dependent on proprietary OSes and this is why Linux is installed on Steam Deck by default.

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Yup - Google made the best de-googleable phone.

They did and I bought a used pixel6 just to switch to graphene. The problem is that the next pixel will likely be much more difficult to do this with because google is going to not not be evil.

The Pixel 7 is also supported by Graphene OS.

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For the same query?

Yes. I like that Google seems to surface programming results in the language I use. In the case of “boobies”, if I’m a bird expert it might give me info on blue footed boobies first.

Or if you're a programmer and are looking for that paper written by Professor Firstname Lastname, you might prefer results about the CS professor, not about the eponymous person who undresses for a living. Or plays baseball for a living.

I like arthouse films. ∀ arthouse ∃ approximately eponymous porn film. I can't say I dislike porn, but if the search engines were to treat me like my neighbour I'd never get any arthouse results. Too niche.

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After 2016, Google went on a crusade to save the universe by stamping out all misinformation and seems to have highly deranked all forums and blogs in favor of mainstream sites. This has made Google unusable for any political or controversial subject matter. This has also made their LLM efforts too cautious as they can't handle the political controversy of an LLM and can't verify that it will never return anything th…

It’s not just Google. Yesterday night I was trying to recall the name of a particular SCOTUS case that I had (semi-incorrectly) thought was connected to the 14th Amendment. Bombed out on the SERPs two or three times, so I started looking for an very old article by Thomas Sowell that randomly introduced me to the case a few years back. I knew it was something regarding the unintended consequences of the Civil Rights A…

> deboonking

*debunking

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Can you give examples of the average pre-ChatGPT Google queries you were doing, that ChatGPT can fully handle? Personally — and having not tried ChatGPT for this — I don't think ChatGPT would do well with resolving the kinds of queries I consider Google "good at." To me, the place where Google wins over Bing, DDG, etc. is when I know there must exist some page that uniquely talks about some extremely niche overlap of…

I had an example recently: I wanted to learn more about how certificate-based WiFi authentication worked. In the past, I would have used Google to find some resources on it, probably find that the relevant standard is called 802.1x, used Google to find the relevant Wikipedia article, skimmed that, etc. But instead of doing that, I just asked ChatGPT the specific questions I needed the answer to. When you're asking ge…

> In the past, I would have used Google to find some resources on it, probably find that the relevant standard is called 802.1x, used Google to find the relevant Wikipedia article, skimmed that, etc.

And apparently you didn't quite notice the particular inefficiency there...

> But instead of doing that, I just asked ChatGPT the specific questions I needed the answer to.

Yeah, sure, if you want to vet hallucinations in stead of just getting the facts.

Just go directly to Wikipedia instead.

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>> since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources Since when? You're assuming the pool of employees available to recruit is infinite which is clearly not true.

It's clearly larger then 1 million worldwide, which is what matters to a company of Google's size. It will breakdown if the company wants to run multiple Manhattan Projects simultaneously, but anything short of that is technically possible.

Is that clear? How did you arrive at that number? Just because people exist and have some skills doesn't mean a company can find them and hire them. There are lots of reasons why that might not be the case. Even when I first joined the company very early on, they were struggling to recruit in the USA despite spending vast resources on the effort, and this was what pushed them into international expansion.

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I'm not sure that would have changed anything, though. Their main loss is that ChromeOS isn't marketed as 'business-oriented' but that's probably because you can't market it to businesses when tons of legacy software doesn't run, and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience). But when businesses do use GWorkspace products, it's not an issue that it all happens within the browser.

>and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience). And it isn't because they didn't try Sheets. Lol. Nobody I know likes Google Sheets. They basically copied the UX of Office 2003 and did nothing to improve upon it since it's initial release over a decade ago. It's awful. Shit, it still doesn't have the concept of tables like Excel does and you need to manually paint rows, manually find the h…

> They basically copied the UX of Office 2003 and did nothing to improve upon it since it's initial release over a decade ago.

> It's awful.

On the contrary, sounds marvellous.

> Shit, it still doesn't have the concept of tables like Excel does

Sounds utterly weird. Spreadsheets already are tables, so WTF is the use of a “separate concept of tables” within your tables? Seems to be geared towards creating confusion.

(Or are you just taking about some newfangled moniker for named ranges?)

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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People want LLM leveraged search, and Google isn't delivering.

I think majority of "ordinary" users just what the search results when they need them, not really caring about the technology beingb used behind the scene.

And here bing is still often interior to b Google, LLM add some fun factor but factual quality actually goes down as GPT is known for making up facts

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