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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

carlosjobim wrote: post #644
paulpan wrote: post #467

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The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

Apple could spin up a better search engine than Google in a swirley. The big question is why haven't they!?

Because they can't do it "in a swirly." It took them many years and a tremendous amount of money for Apple Maps to not be laughably bad.

They can absolutely build a solid search engine with enough money and time, but what would be gained? It's better to just collect Google's checks.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by indecisive_user »

DangitBobby wrote: post #678
luisgvv wrote: post #677

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Can confirm, having used several android phones across the last decade I can tell the most consistent Android experience is delivered by Samsung

Try a Pixel. None of the Samsung bloat and most importantly, no Bixby constantly getting in the way of the vastly superior Google Assistant already baked into android.

I have a recent Samsung Galaxy and haven't once accidentally triggered Bixby. Long press on home button is google assistant. I'm sure I disabled some Bixby settings when I set up the phone but at this point I don't know how to open it even if I tried.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by trafficante »

narrator wrote: post #620
amluto wrote: post #384

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Google has spent the last 10 years ago making Google worse. They achieved this in large part by making the whole Internet worse [0], but a search engine with results of the quality of Google 10 years ago would be a serious competitor. [0] For example, Google used to have a fairly strictly enforced rule that indexable content had to actually be visible to an unauthenticated user. The current crop of sites that have ap…

After 2016, Google went on a crusade to save the universe by stamping out all misinformation and seems to have highly deranked all forums and blogs in favor of mainstream sites. This has made Google unusable for any political or controversial subject matter. This has also made their LLM efforts too cautious as they can't handle the political controversy of an LLM and can't verify that it will never return anything th…

It’s not just Google.

Yesterday night I was trying to recall the name of a particular SCOTUS case that I had (semi-incorrectly) thought was connected to the 14th Amendment.

Bombed out on the SERPs two or three times, so I started looking for an very old article by Thomas Sowell that randomly introduced me to the case a few years back. I knew it was something regarding the unintended consequences of the Civil Rights Act.

Neither Google nor DDG gave me ANY useful results for 3-5 variations on “scholarly critique of the Civil Rights Act”. I eventually remembered the Sowell connection and even adding his name in quotes only got me to a page deboonking the article I was searching for!

I’m very far from being a right winger or whatever so I’ve never really experienced this sort of thing before, but my god is the “no no, you don’t REALLY want to search for THAT” silent censorship out of control. Millions to billions of people use these search engines daily and assume they’re mildly biased but otherwise shining portals to the sum total of human knowledge.

In hindsight, I suspect I would have immediately found the SCOTUS case with my initial search on 2010 era Google. Very much seems like my starter queries were triggering the Bad Think Detected algorithm.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by magarnicle »

thisarticle wrote: post #487
xiphias2 wrote: post #292

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Actually if you have been really looking at Google's management, just the opposite has happened. Eric Schmidt, who is an exceptionally rare talent understanding engineering, business and politics at the same time was changed to a person who just want to show more ads (the product that makes money) with 0 engineering background.

And it’s disgusting, the amount of ads on YouTube now is gross. I recently wasn’t logged in and saw how many ads I had to watch to see a minute long video. I wouldn’t use the service if it wasn’t for YouTube Premium.

Do you find it is worth the money? It costs twice what most streaming services costs, and there are no bundles: I pay for Google One and Google Music, but that counts for nothing.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by mensetmanusman »

carlosjobim wrote: post #644
paulpan wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

Apple could spin up a better search engine than Google in a swirley. The big question is why haven't they!?

Siri can’t even find anything useful on my phone…

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by vitorgrs »

paulpan wrote: post #467
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

You realize that before google paid, microsoft actually did it and bing was used in Siri even, right?

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Post by onion2k »

ehsankia wrote: post #532
balls187 wrote: post #82

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I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

Why? Google makes a shit ton of money from Search, Microsoft doesn't. The whole Bing AI stuff is already a huge money sink for them, how much can they afford to throw into this pit before investors start being worried?

Google makes a shit ton of money from Search, Microsoft doesn't.

If Bing had more users the Microsoft would make more money from it, and vice verse for Google. Their respective sizes are a reason for Microsoft to grow Bing, not a reason to turn Samsung away.

Microsoft are investing $10b in OpenAI partly to make Bing better. That is not a sign they're happy with Bing's market share. They're coming for Google, albeit with an oblique strategy rather than competing directly.

how much can they afford to throw into this pit before investors start being worried

A lot, for a really long time. Microsoft have plenty of money and a history of playing a long game successfully. Have a look at Xbox if you want an example of Microsoft spending a lot of money for a very long time and coming out ahead in the end.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by vitorgrs »

Sindisil wrote: post #627
manquer wrote: post #366

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DDG is backed by the bing index

Only partially. Also, even if it were just a Dr front for Bing, it doesn't change that I got perfectly reasonable results for the search string said to return unusable results from Bing, so

Not partially, totally now. They used Yandex before, but they stopped using it after the war I believe.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by DangitBobby »

ajmurmann wrote: post #214
that_guy_iain wrote: post #153

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O365 has the same real time collaboration and document sharing. I worked at one company they were originally on Google had to share the enterprise plan by the parent company for “money reasons”. People just kept using Google until the account was closed 12 months after migrating. When I left they were going back to Google.

My current employer is pushing us to Office 365. We have a lot of meetings that center around a shared document. The syncing in Word is extremely slow and in Excel we gave up on it entirely because we got constant merge conflicts with no clear way off fixing them. Outlook web is very slow and sometimes stopped fetching new emails till you reload. Meanwhile outlook for Mac silently doesn't show more than ten all-day e…

I'm very confused to see people pushing O365 as a viable alternative to GSuite for collaborative documents. It's not even close.
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