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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by atraac »

DangitBobby wrote: post #678
luisgvv wrote: post #677

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Can confirm, having used several android phones across the last decade I can tell the most consistent Android experience is delivered by Samsung

Try a Pixel. None of the Samsung bloat and most importantly, no Bixby constantly getting in the way of the vastly superior Google Assistant already baked into android.

Pixel is known for amount of bugs and issues after the release. Also they release them in a handful of countries. It's not realistically viable alternative to Samsung when most of the world can't get it officially...

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by narrator »

trafficante wrote: post #694
narrator wrote: post #620

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After 2016, Google went on a crusade to save the universe by stamping out all misinformation and seems to have highly deranked all forums and blogs in favor of mainstream sites. This has made Google unusable for any political or controversial subject matter. This has also made their LLM efforts too cautious as they can't handle the political controversy of an LLM and can't verify that it will never return anything th…

It’s not just Google. Yesterday night I was trying to recall the name of a particular SCOTUS case that I had (semi-incorrectly) thought was connected to the 14th Amendment. Bombed out on the SERPs two or three times, so I started looking for an very old article by Thomas Sowell that randomly introduced me to the case a few years back. I knew it was something regarding the unintended consequences of the Civil Rights A…

Yandex seems to have a bunch of links to what you're looking for. Sadly, Yandex is the only decent search engine I've found for these sorts of topics.

https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=scholarly+critique+of+...

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by maleldil »

trafficante wrote: post #688
mgkimsal wrote: post #291

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part of the issue with 'bubbles', as I see it, is that you don't know you're in a bubble. a big huge honking option of "keep me in the bubble" and "show results outside my bubble" would make it a lot more obvious (and manageable) to many people who are oblivious to the notion that they live in an information bubble. won't stop people who only use one source of news, but in a search aspect, it would be useful.

Interestingly, Google themselves seem to be at least somewhat aware of this - though it may just be an accidental side effect of trying to drive user engagement on YouTube. I’ve been noticing an occasional “Show me something new to me” prompt showing up in my YT feed. It has literally never provided anything I was interested in watching, but I appreciate that they’re trying to burst bubbles.

Youtube sometimes recommends that, but if you scroll the topics bar all the way to the right, you can access it at any time.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by taylodl »

kccqzy wrote: post #640
taylodl wrote: post #446

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Google's whole raison d'être was internet computing - computing at scales never before seen. Think "BigFiles" and the original Google search. They were able to leverage that technology in creating AdSense, which is their huge money-maker. Google's challenge has been finding ways to monetize their internet compute technologies. But now that it's 25 years later and more and more people have internet-scale computing ava…

Increasingly people don't need this kind of special sauce to run a big Internet service. Everything that's challenging has been outsourced to public clouds. Just pay more and those special sauce comes to you. Admittedly Google still has some special sauce left, but in my opinion those special sauce only improves efficiency; it doesn't enable one to do something that's impossible otherwise. (I've been reading about so…

I'd say it another way - everything that's challenging has been commoditized and is available from your choice of public cloud providers. You've identified new special sauce opportunities for Google, the question is can these new opportunities generate as much revenue as they'd been enjoying?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by traveler01 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #363
bdavisx wrote: post #218

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What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

From the outside, Alphabet seems to do a very good job when it comes to engineering. They have very little downtime, fewer embarrassing security moments than most, youtube is far better technically than the competition, etc. It's just that they aren't building things that people want to use, but that's a failure of management and incentives.

Thing is, they actually are building things people might want to use, they just don't focus enough on it. Stadia for example, was way ahead of Microsoft in image quality, fluidity, etc. After a year or two of trying to push it to customers they killed it for no reason whatsoever.

I even recall watching some comments of sad people who would need another gaming streaming service because they used Stadia for their gaming needs. It was a ridiculous decision that nobody understood why. They also screwed up game devs who were porting their games to Stadia, which will for sure have repercusions in future services.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by carlosjobim »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #691
carlosjobim wrote: post #644

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Apple could spin up a better search engine than Google in a swirley. The big question is why haven't they!?

Because they can't do it "in a swirly." It took them many years and a tremendous amount of money for Apple Maps to not be laughably bad. They can absolutely build a solid search engine with enough money and time, but what would be gained? It's better to just collect Google's checks.

Why can't they do it? A tiny boot strapped company like Kagi has already made a much better search engine than Google. Are no good engineers working at Apple, or what is missing in the equation?

> but what would be gained?

People needing to buy an Apple device to reap the benefits of the internet, as Google continues to sink into their SEO-optimized malware swamp.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

revelio wrote: post #718
MichaelZuo wrote: post #637

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It's clearly larger then 1 million worldwide, which is what matters to a company of Google's size. It will breakdown if the company wants to run multiple Manhattan Projects simultaneously, but anything short of that is technically possible.

Is that clear? How did you arrive at that number? Just because people exist and have some skills doesn't mean a company can find them and hire them. There are lots of reasons why that might not be the case. Even when I first joined the company very early on, they were struggling to recruit in the USA despite spending vast resources on the effort, and this was what pushed them into international expansion.

> Just because people exist and have some skills doesn't mean a company can find them and hire them.

I claimed it's technically possible with 'exponentially more resources', not that any private organization could feasibly possess the resources or cachet to, in practice, hire a million top notch people.

Maintaining the literal same average quality with Googler #1001 to #10000 would probably have required spending 10x more per hire, compared to hiring #1 to #1000.

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Post by DangitBobby »

indecisive_user wrote: post #692
DangitBobby wrote: post #678

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Try a Pixel. None of the Samsung bloat and most importantly, no Bixby constantly getting in the way of the vastly superior Google Assistant already baked into android.

I have a recent Samsung Galaxy and haven't once accidentally triggered Bixby. Long press on home button is google assistant. I'm sure I disabled some Bixby settings when I set up the phone but at this point I don't know how to open it even if I tried.

Must have changed in the years since I had one. They had a dedicated Bixby button that you couldn't assign to anything else and updates to Bixby would constantly mess with settings related to activating Google Assistant. Good to know things have gotten better.

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Post by uh-quan »

CRConrad wrote: post #716
trafficante wrote: post #694

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It’s not just Google. Yesterday night I was trying to recall the name of a particular SCOTUS case that I had (semi-incorrectly) thought was connected to the 14th Amendment. Bombed out on the SERPs two or three times, so I started looking for an very old article by Thomas Sowell that randomly introduced me to the case a few years back. I knew it was something regarding the unintended consequences of the Civil Rights A…

> deboonking *debunking

Original spelling is intended, a purposeful and humorous misspelling introduced by a meme.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by xtracto »

rootw0rm wrote: post #668
thelittleone wrote: post #667

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I moved to Samsung from Apple and that wasn't my experience at all.

There's a separate Samsung version of every core Google Android app, a separate Samsung account system to sync everything, and a Samsung launcher. Mind you, I personally use none of it (except launcher), but that's basically the definition of Android bloat.

I guess one man's trash is another man's treasure. I like Samsung Health application and use it daily. I even had purchased something called RunKepper but stopped using it in favour of Samsung app.
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