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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by mgkimsal »

maleldil wrote: post #90
mattw2121 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree. I would love for a search engine to, intelligently, cater the results based on my previous search history and patterns.

That's how you create bubbles.

part of the issue with 'bubbles', as I see it, is that you don't know you're in a bubble. a big huge honking option of "keep me in the bubble" and "show results outside my bubble" would make it a lot more obvious (and manageable) to many people who are oblivious to the notion that they live in an information bubble. won't stop people who only use one source of news, but in a search aspect, it would be useful.

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Post by xiphias2 »

bfrog wrote: post #160

Too busy asking people to invert binary trees and not looking for people that know how to make products that make money.

Actually if you have been really looking at Google's management, just the opposite has happened.

Eric Schmidt, who is an exceptionally rare talent understanding engineering, business and politics at the same time was changed to a person who just want to show more ads (the product that makes money) with 0 engineering background.

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Post by ur-whale »

The problem with Google is very simple: they have become entirely incapable of creating new products (specifically: stuff that people actually want).

Most of the tech. that underpins OpenAI's stuff has been invented at Google, and quite a long time ago.

They've been sitting on it, not doing anything with it, and even when their most direct competitor comes to take a huge pound of flesh out using stuff they created, all they manage to do is put out a lame subpar competitor (bard).

Things this situation evokes for me:

   - Google plus

   - Kodak

   - Xerox

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by michaelt »

dathinab wrote: post #107

Soon we have a Microsoft more power full then ever but less controlled and constrained by anti monopoly regulation then ever. - after google search degraded for a while bing is competive - MS has much influence and stack in (not really open) OpenAI - MS has with LinkedLn a relevant social network, sure it's work focused but increasingly used for non work usecases - MS controls 2 of the 6 relevant gaming platforms (XB…

Some would consider the fact that Microsoft "competes with Google and Apple in the Cloud" and "has a not so competitive ad platform" and "has a semi competitive voice assistant" and so on is evidence they don't have a monopoly, rather than evidence they do.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by JohnFen »

xnx wrote: post #261
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

90-95% of your searches don't require information more recent than September 2021?

That sounds about right for me. When I'm searching the web for information, only rarely does that information have to be newer than that.

That said, I'm not a fan of using these tools for search. For me, anyway, they don't even come close to doing what I want when I'm searching the web.

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Post by htag »

AlexandrB wrote: post #145

Microsoft is a shark and they smell blood in the water right now. While I hate their products, I have to admire their decision making. For example, I think they see the threat that SteamDeck poses (Linux gaming becoming feasible) and are already working to head it off at the pass: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/handheld-mode-for-wi...

Microsoft has always been a shark in the water. Maybe it was slightly less capable of killing blows during the Ballmer days.

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Post by chankstein38 »

kmlx wrote: post #249
chankstein38 wrote: post #225

Maybe an unpopular opinion but it feels like Google is near useless anymore. Between results containing outdated or broken links to empty discussions, and ads being their main priority as well as "fuzzy search results" where you can search for one thing and get something completely unrelated because Google decided you also meant to search for something else that is possibly contextually adjacent, I can't really get g…

> Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate but Google's results rely on some random person somewhere to have properly answered something. i don't know about your experience with chatgpt, but to me it's been untrustworthy. so much so that every answer i get needs to be double checked against google and that "random person".

That's fair I can definitely agree that but my point was more that neither is a very trustworthy source anyway. It's the same way I'd double check one source versus another. It's just easier to start with GPT at this point because at least I know it'll just answer based on what it has been trained with versus special interests. One example I've used is the question "Is Fix A Flat ok to use in tires?" the results are from the company that makes fix a flat saying basically "Yes obviously" while you then see tire companies and repair shops giving you mixed responses. Then you have the third group being just people who have heard from one of the first 2 groups. People are worried about AI degrading the quality of information over time, learning from itself. We're basically there thanks to people caring more about being right than being correct and never doing their own leg work.

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Post by chankstein38 »

ur-whale wrote: post #288
chankstein38 wrote: post #225

Maybe an unpopular opinion but it feels like Google is near useless anymore. Between results containing outdated or broken links to empty discussions, and ads being their main priority as well as "fuzzy search results" where you can search for one thing and get something completely unrelated because Google decided you also meant to search for something else that is possibly contextually adjacent, I can't really get g…

> Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate For the non-ML crowd out there, in the AI world: to hallucinate to lie

You're absolutely correct but it's fair to also point out that people do this constantly as well. Try googling any controversial topic.

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Post by zouhair »

cruano wrote: post #253
robotresearcher wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

Humans are actually quite reliable. Wikipedia is that trust manifested. Also a human liar knows they are lying, AI doesn't know it's saying something wrong.
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