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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by taylodl »

smni wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

Me too. I'll be looking at what gets released this year and decide to buy. I think it's safe to say after 11 years of daily, and rather extensive use, it's time to update! Problem is, it just continues to work so daggone well!

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Post by mikhael28 »

smni wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

The Macbook Air that's out right now is like 13.6 inches. The screen is much better than the 2012 models, so with the resolution it will feel as big probably if not bigger.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by mikhael28 »

smni wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

Cybersecurity dawg. Unless you are running Linux on it, you are at least 10x more at risk of a worm like penetration than something running a up to date OS.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Terretta »

PedroBatista wrote: post #147

It's not just the pandemic shopping spree hangover, Apple's hardware pricing is completely out of the market. $1700-$2500 for a median spec computer? It's ridiculous.

Stats on 2019 vs. 2023 and Apple relative to other PC makers, shown elsewhere in this thread, suggest they are not "completely out of the market".

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by mikhael28 »

graboidhunter wrote: post #140
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #87

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I’m working with a maxed out M1 MacBook Pro and I can’t imagine it being obsolete any time soon. Apple might not sell me a computer for several years, but I spent far more than I would have otherwise. Assuming all goes well, I’ll probably do the same thing when I do buy again.

It won't. My daily driver is still a mid-2010 iMac.

Cybersecurity. You are 10x more likely to be hacked than someone running a modern OS with browser+os-level zero days patched. At least run Linux on it.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by lloeki »

lukevp wrote: post #160
JKCalhoun wrote: post #143

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Yeah, that's my bigger worry: that "desktop" (and then "laptop") are going to become niche platforms that only old-timers use. I dread our only-phone future.

If you could dock a phone and use it with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and it had all the software you used, whorls you still be worried? Microsoft did this with Continuum in windows phone 10, and iPadOS is trying to grow up to support more multitasking and a keyboard+mouse. It’s not too far of a leap that the iPhone could do the same thing. This would also be a lot cheaper than also purchasing a laptop.

I wanted to love that but it failed for me.

My desktop is a dedicated workstation machine that I want to be running even when I lug my phone around the house.

You can basically s/phone/laptop above and it still doesn't quite work for me. Doing it with a phone only makes it worse.

Maybe for some it can work, it just doesn't for me. I very much prefer the concept of continuity, where I have a number of devices that I can pickup, and whatever I want to do can be carried over in a transparent way across all of them, while having each device be the best at what it is, some able to do unique stuff and some having overlaps in functionality.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Terretta »

PedroBatista wrote: post #188
jakelazaroff wrote: post #156

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People have been saying this for literal decades. That's not what's causing the drop.

Well.. now it is. early 00's Macs were overpriced BUT they had the die-hard Apple fans which were mostly professionals with high income, then by the late to early 10's Macs were actually inline or cheaper than PCs ( and much better ), but in the last ~5-6 years the prices have been higher and higher to the point a large portion of their newly found market are being squeezed. I imagine those people are not buying PCs…

At the new M1 prices, the highest ever, Apple shipped personal best and industry best volume.

We need to look elsewhere for an explanation.

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Post by nickpp »

threeseed wrote: post #57
fabian2k wrote: post #47

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Just looked at it, and it certainly is. I mean Apple was always more expensive, but the difference is just huge now. For me 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is kind of the minimum (I would buy 32GB RAM if I can get it for a fair price). I can get that for less than 1000 EUR as a Windows/Linux notebook with reasonably good quality. For Apple it seems to start at 2300 EUR with these specs, and that is for relatively small screen s…

> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

Battery life is a huge advantage of the current MacBook hardware, unparalleled in the non-Apple laptop land.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by PedroBatista »

Terretta wrote: post #204
PedroBatista wrote: post #147

It's not just the pandemic shopping spree hangover, Apple's hardware pricing is completely out of the market. $1700-$2500 for a median spec computer? It's ridiculous.

Stats on 2019 vs. 2023 and Apple relative to other PC makers, shown elsewhere in this thread, suggest they are not "completely out of the market".

Watch 2023 and 2024, prices will come down ( a bit, because Apple can wait and can't look desperate to move units ).

They are out of the market now for what they were expecting, obviously they are still selling products.

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Post by mikhael28 »

wil421 wrote: post #157
crossroadsguy wrote: post #100

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> and RAM too small The current default is 8GB and max is 16GB. It isn’t too high even now considering it’s 2023

I’m the tech guy in my circle and despite my wishes most of my friends and family get the standard 8GB models. Beside one friend that had a crazy memory link, most of them don’t bat an eye. If Safari, Word, and Excel open they don’t mind too much. 8GB is fine at the moment on MacOS. The standard is still 8gb for most non-performance laptops and there are legions and legions of corporate HPs and Dells with 8GBs.

I think 8gb is totally fine if all you are doing is full-stack JS development, with some light backend stuff thrown in (Python rest service, maybe even running postgres locally).

I occasionally run my tech stack on a 12' MacBook with an Intel m3 processor to make sure that I haven't gone overboard with tooling, mostly to ensure international, developing country open source contributors don't have to struggle opening local servers and such on their machines.

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