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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

The battery life is really nice even if you don’t need the full power.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#42

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

Companies usually buy base models.

Apple is also struggling with supply chain, as M1 is still prominent. Another feature of this issue is that because of their parsimonious storage configuration and linkage of M2 chip and storage, upgrades are nuts - it costs as much as an iPhone to get a storage upgrade that is like $100 with commodity SSD storage.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#43

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

> How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop?

Give it a few years. Browsers and apps will expand to fill the available performance, as they always have.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#45

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

I had the previous MacBook Pro i7 which was using for normal compile workloads. It ran so hot that I needed to put an ice brick underneath it in order to stop it from aggressively throttling and sounding like a jet engine going off.

With my M1 the fan rarely spins up at all and the efficiency/battery life makes a massive difference.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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post #28

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

Perhaps non-tech corporations without the means to implement CI/CD would appreciate end-device performance gains? Regardless, other laptop vendors have mostly caught up in performance anyway. Mobility might have a better case to be made.

For developers who use languages that are compiled/strongly typed CI/CD won't help.

And no other laptops vendors haven't caught up. Their efficiency is still way lower.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#47
post #7

Their EU pricing is just insane

Just looked at it, and it certainly is. I mean Apple was always more expensive, but the difference is just huge now.

For me 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is kind of the minimum (I would buy 32GB RAM if I can get it for a fair price). I can get that for less than 1000 EUR as a Windows/Linux notebook with reasonably good quality. For Apple it seems to start at 2300 EUR with these specs, and that is for relatively small screen sizes which doesn't match my preference. Of course there are many more differences here, but this seems to be kind of the price floor for reasonable specs.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#48

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

> How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? Give it a few years. Browsers and apps will expand to fill the available performance, as they always have.

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#49

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I have the maxed out 2020 16" Macbook Pro, the last of the Intel ones. I really wanted to buy M1 and M2 one, and I have the means, but the existing one just works too well still for me to justify the expense to myself. Also, when I go and finally buy one, I think I'll just won't need the maxed out version anymore, and will prioritise portability over power, so I'll pay less. Simply because of reports about how powerf…

I’ve traded my 2017 maxed out MBP for an M2 Air. It’s insane. I don’t do video editing but lots of code compiling and the Air handles it without problems. Sure, the Pro would be even faster, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing out on, but the Air is so crazy fast and the battery life so incredibly long, I have zero regrets on that purchase.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#50

What is most surprising here is that Apple's share growth is worse than other PC makers. It seemed like Apple was going to continue to gain market share in PCs with Apple Silicon effortlessly. But this didn't happen in Q1. I'm going to speculate why: * People are going back to buying cheaper laptops due to the economy, inflation, and exchange rates. Apple suffers in this environment because they're generally less fle…

>assuming they want to release a new gen every year

Why would one assume that?

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