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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by bluedino »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I think a lot of the 13" buyers will end up upgrading as they sound pretty tired about the lack of dual-monitor support.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by fsloth »

sylware wrote: post #81
fsloth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many choose Apple exactly because of the tight platform integration. There is no one true method of general computing.

The absolute truth about apple and msft: they ARE digital jails. There is worse though: video game consoles and locked smart phones.

As a programmer I’m happy to use a locked in box in my free time that does with a push of a button exactly the thing a vendor promised.

It sounds like you imagine all compute devices should be generalized compute platforms. Which IMO is as silly as demanding all products containing wood and metal rods should function as abacuses.

Free compute is not a value adding feature in a product unless the main feature of the product is general computation.

Adding compute capabilities to products often makes them better, but it does not mean the platform should invite free tinkering.

I don’t want to tinker with my phone. I want it to be able to function as a phone.

That said of course we all want vendor-agnostic compute platforms to exist, and the world is so much better because we can use Linux if we choose.

But the idea all devices with CPU should be open is a non-value adding one.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by JKCalhoun »

kmlx wrote: post #136
somewhereoutth wrote: post #127

As 'free money' is sucked out of the system (by reversing ultra low interest rates and QE), people are going to focus their spending on what they actually need - which often is not an Apple product.

or a PC in general: > Global PC shipments tumbled to 56.9 million in the first quarter, down 29% from the same period a year earlier https://www.wsj.com/articles/pc-shipments-fall-29-led-by-dro...

Yeah, that's my bigger worry: that "desktop" (and then "laptop") are going to become niche platforms that only old-timers use.

I dread our only-phone future.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by traveler01 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #138

Still slightly higher than Q1 2020 or Q1 2019, so really just regression to the mean after the unusual spike in demand created by the pandemic. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263428/apples-revenue-fr...

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls).

So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

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Post by cableshaft »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I only just upgraded mine this past month, but I was still using a Macbook Pro from 2015 (not regularly, it finally was getting too annoying to use much after 8 years, but I have a Windows laptop also so I wasn't in a big hurry to upgrade).

Part of me kind of wishes I didn't though, that was a lot of money I dropped there, especially with all the layoffs (my company had their first layoff a week after I made the purchase also).

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Post by Godel_unicode »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #71
client4 wrote: post #14

I'd be interested in a Mac once Linux is viable on it. OSX feels outright hostile to power users at this point.

Apple hardware has a lot more capability than their software allows you to use. If Apple was interested in growing their market share further, there are a lot of gains are to be had in supporting non Apple software platforms on Apple hardware. Linux is an obvious one because of Asahi Linux. They've done a lot of the hard work already despite Apple not lifting a finger. Imagine how well that could work with a little A…

> It would not require a lot of changes.

It would require Apple to stop being Apple. Give up their App Store revenue (Steam) and give up their proprietary 3D API in favor of a standard? Might as well ask for a Start button.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

graboidhunter wrote: post #140
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m working with a maxed out M1 MacBook Pro and I can’t imagine it being obsolete any time soon. Apple might not sell me a computer for several years, but I spent far more than I would have otherwise. Assuming all goes well, I’ll probably do the same thing when I do buy again.

It won't. My daily driver is still a mid-2010 iMac.

When apps like Blender stopped working on my mid-2010 iMac is when I jumped.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by blibble »

reaperducer wrote: post #112
Spooky23 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies usually buy base models. Apple is also struggling with supply chain, as M1 is still prominent. Another feature of this issue is that because of their parsimonious storage configuration and linkage of M2 chip and storage, upgrades are nuts - it costs as much as an iPhone to get a storage upgrade that is like $100 with commodity SSD storage.

$100 with commodity SSD storage. You answered your own question there. Apple doesn't used "commodity" SSD storage. Apple's SSDs are enterprise-grade, not bottom-of-the-barrel commodity parts.

probably don't need SLC with 300% redundancy in my laptop
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