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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by borissk »

throwaway4good wrote: post #438
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

The US wants China to retaliate tit for tat. But China hasn't from the Huawei bans to the latest semiconductor blockade and I don't think they will do it here. What China appears to be doing is to double down on investment in sanctioned sectors while keeping trade open. And I think they continue this strategy.

They may continue until they are ready to invade Taiwan. And then the US and the rest of the West will have some very hard choices to make - harder than the choices Germany had to make over the Ukraine invasion.

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Post by borissk »

Herval_freire wrote: post #361
sinoue wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracies aren’t beholden to the ego of an authoritarian. Free trade for free countries, and a tyrant tax for authoritarian regimes should be the norm if we want human centered capitalism. https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023

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Obviously you haven't lived in a dictatorship. Spend a few years in Russia or China or Turkey or Iran and then come back with your hypothesis about the raw truth.

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Post by curiousgal »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #436
curiousgal wrote: post #433

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> We really should pull back some of that manufacturing and deal with the resulting pollution closer to where the goods are consumed Or, you know, not do anything? I genuinely find it laughable that people are advocating all of this China hate because they're a dictatorship. So are the Gulf nations, I don't see anyone advocating for cutting them off. Also from a global point of view, U.S. foreign policy has caused wa…

There are good reasons to diversify where we get things from whether we hate China or not. We aren’t allies, our goals are different and often in opposition, etc… China sees the USA the same way and is making moves accordingly, so why should the USA be dumber than China?

Out of curiosity, what goals are those?

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

teh_klev wrote: post #349
jacquesm wrote: post #239

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You don't need to be afraid of China to realize that outsourcing a very large fraction of all manufacturing for half the world to a single non-democratic country doesn't serve our interests in the long run.

> outsourcing a very large fraction of all manufacturing for half the world to a single non-democratic country doesn't serve our interests in the long run You do realise that a sizeable chunk of the world's oil and gas are sourced from "non-democratic" countries in the Middle East, yet somehow we leave them alone to openly torture, abuse and murder their citizens? And on top of that they're left alone to operate a ca…

Classic whataboutism.

There are many such issues worthy of attention, perhaps they are indeed being opined about... on other threads?

The human mind functions better when focusing on a single problem at any given moment.

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Post by borissk »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #389
weq wrote: post #366

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> Somebody for sure is willing to sell general purpose chips to China second hand at a more expensive price. The US is stopping people from selling high tech chips to China. Have you not heard of this policy? I tenat to agree that Xi Jing Ping is distracted with retaining power like all the other democractic polticians are. Instead of left vs rights, its ultra left-ist faction against faction, corruption and profitee…

Xi Jinping. The extra g caught me off guard. China is a fairly conservative country, so calling them ultra leftist also feels wrong, since any actual leftists would get kicked out of government very quickly. It’s more like the reformer wing (was headed by ex-premiere Li Keqiang) and the more traditionalist wing that Xi represents.

From the point of view of a dictator like Xi Jinping it's the people who support him vs every one else.

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Post by vasco »

zpeti wrote: post #432
snehk wrote: post #401

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The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era). You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military? You paint a picture of Ame…

> You paint a picture of America as an evil empire, but what do the alternatives look like?

The nice alternatives don't have big enough militaries to be considered seriously, one could point at some European nations for a more measured approach, but it's hard to do it seriously when we only exist because the US saved us and continues to do so, as Europe pretty much has no military power if push comes to shove.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #408
pfannkuchen wrote: post #339

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Free Trade for Free Countries is a decent slogan! I’ve long been disappointed that this isn’t the mainstream position. Anything else feels very hypocritical (for the US).

Eh, economic engagement with unfree countries got us south korea, Taiwan, probably more in eastern Europe: Albania comes to mind. Afaict disengagement only worked with south Africa.

There’s roughly three levels free vs unfree:

1. Democratic countries that mostly abide by international law and the rules-based order.

2. Non-democratic countries that also mostly abide by international law and the rules-based order, because they benefit from it more than not doing so.

3. Non-democratic countries that reject international law and the rules-based order.

The US trades with #1 and #2, and was hoping to make China into #2. But unfortunately it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, China is in the grey area between #2 and #3 and probably trending toward #3.

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Post by herbst »

zpeti wrote: post #432
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era). You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military? You paint a picture of Ame…

Do we want America as a world leader? Enforcing their dated moral views on us trough controlling money flow and social media? We do have accept violence but no nudity in our media when our society is the exact opposite?

Yes that's whatabouttism but the world actually does suffer from the current state as well

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Post by medo-bear »

Regnore wrote: post #322
prottog wrote: post #179

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The quote "Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." has been attributed to various Marxists over the decades.

I’ve always enjoyed interpreting this quote as “The Marxist system is such a terrible socioeconomic system that it can’t even produce its own rope”

where i curently live the marxist economy, despite numerous short commings, promoted a healthy work life balance, unrivaled job security, and some rather high quality public housing that even today sells at a premium

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Post by herbst »

senttoschool wrote: post #404
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

This. And it's beyond sad that the majority of HN users blindly follows this more than obvious propaganda war.
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