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Post by bakuninsbart »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #405
senttoschool wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

What are you even talking about. China is regularly rated lower than Vietnam on human rights rankings and Vietnam is trending towards improvement. China is trending towards regression. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/vietnams-human-righ...

I thought this article did a quite good job at what is meant when people talk about the fight for democracy: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/03/31/what-biden-mean...

Our morals in international politics are always just applied selectively, and there are few examples of where our best interest and moral considerations clash - because morality is immediately ignored or downplayed when interest is involved.

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Post by zpeti »

snehk wrote: post #401
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control

And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era).

You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military?

You paint a picture of America as an evil empire, but what do the alternatives look like?

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Post by curiousgal »

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

> We really should pull back some of that manufacturing and deal with the resulting pollution closer to where the goods are consumed

Or, you know, not do anything? I genuinely find it laughable that people are advocating all of this China hate because they're a dictatorship. So are the Gulf nations, I don't see anyone advocating for cutting them off. Also from a global point of view, U.S. foreign policy has caused way more harm to the world than the Chinese so it is bizarre for the U.S. to champion itself as a savior of the oppressed. I genuinely think Americans should stop drinking the Kool aid of their government being the good guy.

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Post by medo-bear »

varispeed wrote: post #258
medo-bear wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

about 20 years ago i asked an old commie (proper commie, with portraits of marx engels lenin proudly hung on the wall and a library to show) what he thinks of china. his response stuck with me to this day in china you don't have socialism. what you have in china is a market for head-nooses and western capitalists are the main customer. it's absolutely genius!

Ironically though, the reason why the West gone to China for manufacturing is that people in the West wanted employment rights, minimum wage and all sort of socialist protections, but they didn't want to pay for it.

haha yep and pretended for good 30+ years that the working class no longer exists. people seem to forget that the uk was on a brink of revolution prior to thatcher outsourcing work to china. and now apparently they want to magically go back

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Post by rnk »

Barrin92 wrote: post #321
HyperSane wrote: post #309

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People have been predicting that the US dollar will stop being the dominant global currency for a VERY long time. What are your thoughts on China's treatment of the Uighurs?

Morally I think the treatment of the Uighurs is pretty awful, geopolitically it's irrelevant. Made obvious by the indifference to it even in the Islamic world. And if you think American behavior is determined by the plight of the Uighurs rather than anxiety over losing its hegeomnic position, I have a bridge to sell you. And yes people have prematurely talked about the end of the dollar mostly for ideological reasons…

The Muslim world is famous for their own huge human rights abuses, both to different sects of Muslims, but also don't forget the recent treatment of guest workers who were building the world cup facilities.

Some Americans are worried about their strength in the world, some are concerned about the Uighurs.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

curiousgal wrote: post #433
jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

> We really should pull back some of that manufacturing and deal with the resulting pollution closer to where the goods are consumed Or, you know, not do anything? I genuinely find it laughable that people are advocating all of this China hate because they're a dictatorship. So are the Gulf nations, I don't see anyone advocating for cutting them off. Also from a global point of view, U.S. foreign policy has caused wa…

There are good reasons to diversify where we get things from whether we hate China or not. We aren’t allies, our goals are different and often in opposition, etc… China sees the USA the same way and is making moves accordingly, so why should the USA be dumber than China?

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Post by anigbrowl »

jeswin wrote: post #352
ramblenode wrote: post #337

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> You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. This is a false equivalence of democracy = partner. The US has been happy to trade with friendly dictatorships (e.g. Saudi Arabia) and has itself threatened, overthrown, or interefered in democratic and popular governments (e.g. Chile) t…

Saudis will never be a military threat to the democratic order the way China can be. That's a key difference.

Kinetically, no. Strategically they can and do mess with America's blood pressure by twiddling the valve on their oil output. China fields a lot of conventional military force though I have my doubts about their desire or ability to project it farther than Taiwan.

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Post by throwaway4good »

jacquesm wrote: post #230

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

The US wants China to retaliate tit for tat.

But China hasn't from the Huawei bans to the latest semiconductor blockade and I don't think they will do it here.

What China appears to be doing is to double down on investment in sanctioned sectors while keeping trade open. And I think they continue this strategy.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #268
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China, and which occupies the largest of the islands in the South China Sea.

> Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China Source? I've never heard of Taiwan claiming waters off the coasts of Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam as China does [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line#/media/File:9_d...

The article you've linked to explains that Taiwan makes nearly the same claims as the PRC in the South China Sea.

In fact, the famous "dashed-line" claims in the South China Sea were originally made by the Republic of China, before it was defeated by the Communists. This is a map from 1947, showing the ROC's eleven-dash line: [0].

The only difference that I know of between the claims of the ROC and the PRC is that the PRC has slightly reduced its claims as a result of an agreement with Vietnam over the naval boundary in the Gulf of Tonkin.

0. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1947_Nanhai_Zhudao.p...

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Post by aliyfarah »

zpeti wrote: post #432
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era). You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military? You paint a picture of Ame…

I'm not even sure how to make sense of what you wrote. How did you conclude everyone on the globe will get a Chinese social credit score if China becomes #1 economy in the world? Most people outside the West don't necessarily clamour for Chinese hegemony, but want to live in a multipolar world. Why should trade between non aligned countries have to be restricted when US decides to weaponize its currency?
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