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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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This is not normal decoupling, we're in a full on economic war. In the short term that's terrible. In the long term, pain now will help minimize pain later when China invade Taiwan and US-China trade drops to zero overnight. It's coming sooner or later and the longer you leave your investments in China the more you risk the door slamming shut on your hand.

What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

Certainty.

The CCP has (right or wrong) declared that Taiwan is an inviolable part of China and a rogue province. That means that if Taiwan were to declare independence and succeed, it would be a signal failure for the CCP - a gross loss of face. The party's legitimacy (always a complicated thing for an authoritarian state) would be threatened by the demonstration of weakness.

Taiwanese independence is the CCP's soft and fleshy underbelly. Bringing Taiwan under Beijing's control eliminates the uncertainty that comes from that political vulnerability.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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They’re just random news sites you’re linking though. They’re not even political news magazines. News editors don’t enact policy. Who cares what they thinks.

Gaslighting doesn’t work here. I provided my evidence. Show me proof of the contrary.

You didn't provide evidence.

Your argument is that "the government didn't take Russia seriously enough"

Proper evidence would be an study of government officials in power and their position at the time.

It is not 3 hand-picked private industry news articles.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Are you suggesting someone should have pre-emptively invaded Russia after Crimea, thus instead of worrying about a possible full-blown invasion, get it out of the way and just guarantee one? Because as far as I know, the right people expected something to happen — there is just the issue of “well, what do you do about it?”

> Are you suggesting someone should have pre-emptively invaded Russia after Crimea, thus instead of worrying about a possible full-blown invasion, get it out of the way and just guarantee one? That’s quite a leap of logic there. I think it’s enough to recognize that many believed a full invasion wasn’t in the cards. > Because as far as I know, the right people expected something to happen — there is just the issue of…

What are you talking about?

Do you not remember this whole thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_missile_defense_...

Or the talk about nations joining NATO?

Or the discussion about how because we expect Russia to do something, we actually are not sure about NATO anymore because we don't want to be obligated to enter in a war?

Here's an 2021 article about US pressure on Germany to stop the import of more Russian gas before Ukraine happened (2022): https://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/19/germany-under-u-s-pre...

The US did all the things that you are complaining that it didn't do.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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From what I understand, it is an affront to their regime. It’s an island of free, prosperous and democratic Chinese people. It’s a repudiation of everything the CCP stands for. In a very real sense, Taiwan is not a separate country, but a unconquered territory from the Civil War, the last bastion of the pre-1949 Republic of China, and a symbol of what could have been for all of China. Sure there are geopolitical reas…

I think ideology plays less of a role than is assumed. I would posture “resources” or access to resources as the definitive driver no matter if the rhetoric is ideological or religious, etc. Taiwan manufactures a lot of electronics that China does not. It has know-how and capital (means of production) of things that are important to China, China cannot manufacture, and USA, Chinas rival, has access to —- and also rel…

> It has know-how and capital (means of production) of things that are important to China

It has the capital. Not the Know-how or expertise. If it did, it wouldn't be stuck manufacturing lower end semi-conductors. In a hypothetical scenario - where China does manage to successfully invade the island, they won't be able to keep the foundries running for long. Because most of the design, IP, machinery and chemicals used in the process are supplied by the U.S and it's allies.

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> Why is the CCP so intent on controlling the land of another country? The way you frame the question already suggests that you're not interested in why China (not just the CCP - this is a broad sentiment inside China) sees things the way it does. Taiwan is not seen as "another country" in China. It's seen as a Chinese province that is temporarily separated from China due to the civil war. This was also the view of s…

> So if both China and Taiwan wanted and want to be united why don't they? I was gonna ask that but researched a little bit of history first. So the CCP won the civil war against the government at the time, the PRC, which retreated to Taiwan. What I didn't get is that both governments consider China to include the Taiwan territory, they just don't agree on which is the legitimate government. Please correct me if I'm…

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Face. As an East Asian myself, the amount of stupidity that goes on in all of the East Asian countries at all levels because of “face” is astounding. Call it “honor” or “nationalism” or “XXX Pride” - ultimately all the same thing.

What do you mean by "Face"?

https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202204/19/WS625e030ba310f...

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

I am less convinced that China is really good at playing the long game, and more convinced that China is subject to many of the same political struggles that we see in the US. It’s just so easy to tap into our fears of China that we want to believe that they’re this smart and ruthless. We look for evidence to validate our feelings.

There are deposits of these rare earth minerals elsewhere. There are always more deposits, it’s just that they’re untapped until we deplete our cheaper sources. If China withholds its minerals, we will use more expensive sources, but we will still get the minerals.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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I mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.

Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

lol what?

just cause a sea is named after a country doesn't mean it's theirs

just like Sea of Japan

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China…

I am less convinced that China is really good at playing the long game, and more convinced that China is subject to many of the same political struggles that we see in the US. It’s just so easy to tap into our fears of China that we want to believe that they’re this smart and ruthless. We look for evidence to validate our feelings. There are deposits of these rare earth minerals elsewhere. There are always more depos…

You don't need to be afraid of China to realize that outsourcing a very large fraction of all manufacturing for half the world to a single non-democratic country doesn't serve our interests in the long run.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.

Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

What's you opinion about Indian Ocean, Sea of Japan, Persian Gulf and Gulf of Mexico ?
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