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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by pyuser583 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #51
bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

When a relative of mine did a “tour of Europe” in the 1960s, they faced invasive questions about their health. Immigration straight up said, “We think you’re trying to mooch off the NHS.”

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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gooseyman wrote: post #65

I went through this process once. While we didn’t send any explicit photos in, we did go in for an interview which is incredibly nerve racking even if you are a legitimate couple. I forgot my US passport (I think - it was some doc that was optional but strongly encouraged to bring along the day of the interview). There was a quick, whispered couple bicker of “what do you mean YOU forgot it?!” Keep in mind we are sitt…

There was really good episode of Blossom where Blossoms step dad was doing the citizenship interview with his British wife.

To ease her nerves, he said to a random stranger that their marriage was really a scam. She was screaming at him to stop and he was laughing.

Of course, the random stranger was their interviewer. He said it was pretty solid proof they were married.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by saltharp »

incompatible wrote: post #60
makeitdouble wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Australia routinely rejects people if it's thought they'll be a burden on the medical system.

My father in law applied for a visa to come to Australia about a decade ago. As part of this he had to do a medical checkup, and this caught some cancer that he didn’t know he had. Luckily this was early on, and after a few rounds of surgery he was in remission.

If he hadn’t applied for the visa at that time, it’s almost certain he wouldn’t have caught it and wouldn’t be alive today.

He had no trouble getting approved for the visa - we were sponsoring him so we had already signed an agreement saying that we would pay for any government benefits he might receive over the next 10 years. So I don’t think people in this particular visa situation can be a burden on the system.

But this might not be how every visa in Australia works, I’ve got no experience beyond that.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by monksy »

bruceb wrote: post #58
csomar wrote: post #56

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> Yes unsurprisingly a country wants to do basic background checks on people it is making permanent residents and then citizens. This will not stop the worst from coming, at best; but might discourage the best from doing it. It’s stupid and inhuman.

It clearly doesn't. What specifically in the background check requirements is inhuman?

Detailed financial records and the sex+mental health history detail.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by vithlani »

dbg31415 wrote: post #80
incompatible wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia routinely rejects people if it's thought they'll be a burden on the medical system.

Depression… mental health… Australia requires you to report if you ever saw a shrink. I think it was 10 years of medical records. What really sucks too, is that you tend to apply through your company, so you’re sending your company’s lawyer all these documents to submit on your behalf. And you know full well the company is probably getting a summary report. I found it so cruel that they make it harder to get a visa i…

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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by plantain »

incompatible wrote: post #26
plantain wrote: post #24

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I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

That was surprisingly fast, I thought there was some kind of waiting list that was years long. The $10,000 AUD absolutely stops me applying.

The processing time appears to vary roughly linearly with your whiteness, youth and skills. My friend with an Asian wife and two kids has been waiting two years.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by midoridensha »

bombolo wrote: post #35
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

In europe, excluding scam countries like malta, you don't have to pay such high fees to get processing.

In Japan it's 8000 yen (about USD$60 right now). Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

monksy wrote: post #84
bruceb wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It clearly doesn't. What specifically in the background check requirements is inhuman?

Detailed financial records and the sex+mental health history detail.

Here are the docs required: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat...

Nowhere are questions about the couple's sex life asked about. The only question is if the person has been a sex worker (which is good to know to see if the person is being sex trafficked). They are asked about criminal record, sold drugs, or been a terrorist. Yes the person does a medical exam. The person does list their assets and work history.

America is actually pretty lax when it comes to financial support. The person petitioning for their spouse or would be spouse only has to earn 125% of the fed poverty line, that is less than $25k a year or about $12 an hour.

Nothing is inhuman in the questions asked and hardly different than what most other countries ask for. But this doesn't make for a good click-bait story, so some 'journalists' need to make vague insinuations to the contrary.

The system can be improved for sure but so much of what is alluded to just isn't accurate.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

steele wrote: post #50
bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

"Give me your tired, your poor, your bank statements, your sexual proclivities, your vial of saliva, perhaps a pantone swatch best describing your hue in the winter."

No where is sexual proclivities asked for. Ellis island immigration also rejected people on medical ground.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by colmmacc »

bruceb wrote: post #88
monksy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Detailed financial records and the sex+mental health history detail.

Here are the docs required: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... Nowhere are questions about the couple's sex life asked about. The only question is if the person has been a sex worker (which is good to know to see if the person is being sex trafficked). They are asked about criminal record, sold drugs, or been a terrorist. Yes the person does a medical exam. The person does list their asse…

I had lived in the US for 7 years on visas before I could apply for a green card. It was only that point that the system asked for a medical to get inoculated and check if I had any communicable diseases like HIV or TB. That definitely seemed inhuman.

My own doctor couldn't do it, and previous medicals didn't count. I'd already had 7 years to transmit those diseases; a test prior to moving to the US would have made more sense. And with all of that, testing positive wouldn't even disqualify me, I'd just have to get treatment ... it just seems so laughably idiotic. Putting people through a Kafka-esque routine because immigration politics have been dysfunctional for half a century.

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