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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by makeitdouble »

bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

Medical record is out of question in most countries.

The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

dangerlibrary wrote: post #3
robertwt7 wrote: post #2

> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??

Literally the next paragraph: "The fact is, the government does tend to view certain types of unions as more “legitimate” and certain types of spouses more worthy of citizenship. “Expectations of sexual intimacy are implicit in all of the laws around family reunification for [mixed-status] couples, and I think some couples try to make it explicit in order to demonstrate the legitimacy of their relationship,” said Jan…

"The fact is" ...with no actual facts presented. Just opinion.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by contingencies »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #46
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

Why did you need to spend AU$10,000?

AFAIK basically (A) Once you get PR you never have to apply for another visit visa, a process which itself is tedious and expensive if you were previously making sporadic trips; (B) You can access social services such as (internationally speaking) very high grade dirt cheap public medical care and potentially perpetual but qualified access to social services payments ("the dole"); (C) You receive discounted access to local education; (D) After another 4 years you can obtain citizenship and voting rights. (E) As an adult migrant you receive hundreds of hours of free 1:1 spoken English training.; (F) You have additional rights under law such as additional support for any prudent claim of local tax residency should that be a foreign jurisdiction's pressing concern.

So all up, not that unreasonable. Although, it is a hurdle for many people, including lots of Sydney Uber drivers I've had lately.

Full disclosure: Have done this for Oz (I recall more like AUD$8K but that was a few years back), currently going through US non-immigration visas in prospective immigration as an entrepreneur, it's a PITA. Spoke to the HN immigration lawyer dude last year. Despite good advice, our situation is not helped by certain relevant websites running on Salesforce and being down, Chrome-only, nor by 3-4 month post-COVID wait times for certain non-immigrant visa interviews required by immediate family...

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by selcuka »

mewse wrote: post #47
incompatible wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's special for historical reasons, the 444 visa. It's temporary in the sense that it would expire if I left Australia, but I could get another one if I came back. The other downside for any non-citizen is getting deported (or being denied reentry) if the government thinks you are undesirable for any reason. Edit: and I just want to make clear that I'm not criticising the Australian government in any way with…

I have a "Permanent Resident" visa in Australia which expires every five years. Kind of funny that they have a "Temporary Resident" visa which is permanent! :D (the Permanent Resident visa can be renewed online in about fifteen minutes when it expires, they just want you to attest that you still live here)

> I have a "Permanent Resident" visa in Australia which expires every five years. Kind of funny that they have a "Temporary Resident" visa which is permanent! :D

Technically you don't have to renew your permanent residency unless you leave Australia (but then you have to renew your temporary visa, too). Also you can apply to be a citizen after ~4 years of permanent residency while you can't apply if you only have a temporary visa.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by tombert »

You know, I kind of get why people do this.

My wife got her green card two years ago, through her marriage to me. We never considered sending them a sex tape, but we did have to attach lots of photos to prove that the marriage "real", and not just a front. I don't know how much the photos actually helped, since I don't think they actually looked at them, but instead the fact that we've had a shared bank account and shared mortgage for multiple years, but our lawyer made it pretty clear to show them as many photos as possible.

I could totally see the mental logic of sending some sex videos to prove the marriage was consummated, even if doing so isn't terribly well thought out.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by csomar »

bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

> Yes unsurprisingly a country wants to do basic background checks on people it is making permanent residents and then citizens.

This will not stop the worst from coming, at best; but might discourage the best from doing it. It’s stupid and inhuman.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by FpUser »

sokoloff wrote: post #31
jMyles wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I'm sure many people have different thoughts, but if you're specifically asking my views on borders, I very much prefer completely open borders. This is a huge country with plenty of room, friendly people, fresh water, and lots of work to be done. I have no interest in my state deciding whether my new neighbors are wanted.

That view is shared by only about 1 in 3 American voters, which is why we have a system like this to balance the genuine personal interests of US citizens who marry non-citizens against the desires of the majority to have at least some level of immigration and naturalization controls.

>"some level of immigration and naturalization controls."

I would not call it "some level".

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

csomar wrote: post #56
bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

> Yes unsurprisingly a country wants to do basic background checks on people it is making permanent residents and then citizens. This will not stop the worst from coming, at best; but might discourage the best from doing it. It’s stupid and inhuman.

It clearly doesn't. What specifically in the background check requirements is inhuman?

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by jimbob45 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #51
bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Okay, but America accepts more immigrants than any other country by orders of magnitude. That’s always forgotten whenever this discussion is brought up.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by incompatible »

makeitdouble wrote: post #51
bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Australia routinely rejects people if it's thought they'll be a burden on the medical system.
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