Sex and the citizenship process
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Sex and the citizenship process
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#2> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea.
No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#3> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
Literally the next paragraph:
"The fact is, the government does tend to view certain types of unions as more “legitimate” and certain types of spouses more worthy of citizenship. “Expectations of sexual intimacy are implicit in all of the laws around family reunification for [mixed-status] couples, and I think some couples try to make it explicit in order to demonstrate the legitimacy of their relationship,” said Jane Lilly López, a sociologist at Brigham Young University and the author of Unauthorized Love: Mixed-Citizenship Couples Negotiating Intimacy, Immigration, and the State.
Is it any wonder that couples misread the subtext and send in NSFW stuff?"
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#4> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
> they would just send it for what? for fun??
USCIS instructs you to provide proof that you're in a 'real' relationship, and half the people in the world are below-average at exercising good judgement... Or at parsing weird written and unwritten bureaucratic rules.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#5> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
> they would just send it for what? for fun?? USCIS instructs you to provide proof that you're in a 'real' relationship, and half the people in the world are below-average at exercising good judgement... Or at parsing weird written and unwritten bureaucratic rules.
So, ah, how would a person who is above-average prove they're in a "sufficiently committed" relationship?
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#6> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
> No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??
The article dances around the subject a bit, but I think that the answer to your question is still clear:
They do it because, in their minds (and let's face it, they're not wrong) it will undercut questions about whether they are serious about their claims to be in a consummated marriage, which is the legal requirement.
And, as the article points out, this tactic does sometimes work (which is also not a surprise).
I don't understand criticizing the people submitting what is common-sense evidence of what the system requires. If you want the "porn" to stop, then change the system.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they would just send it for what? for fun?? USCIS instructs you to provide proof that you're in a 'real' relationship, and half the people in the world are below-average at exercising good judgement... Or at parsing weird written and unwritten bureaucratic rules.
So, ah, how would a person who is above-average prove they're in a "sufficiently committed" relationship?
Letters, proof of cohabitation (bills, rent payments), use of joint financial accounts, photographs, chat logs, wills, written testimonies from friends/in-laws, a child or three, a five-hundred word life-story essay.
Not everyone has all of these things as evidence to a sufficient extent, but most people will be able to provide enough of them to convince immigration. If they can't, if they are lucky, they may get a request for more evidence, instead of an outright rejection.
IANAL.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#8I totally did this wrong. They asked for pictures, so I just gave them vacation pictures of me and my wife in Bali, Thailand, or some other places. I didn't realize we were supposed to send nudes!
But anyways, they didn't seem to even look at the packet we prepared and granted my wife's green card, which was a relief because she was already 3 months pregnant at the time.
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#9> The stakes are high — real families can be separated and lives ruined by a denial. It is understandable, then, that some people throw everything they have at the wall during the green card process. The system tells them that marriage, and the sex that consummates it, “is compulsory if you want access to the circuits of movement across borders,” Schaeffer said.
What a stupid system. Why are we still doing this in 2023?
FWIW, I suspect that this tactic works far more often than the article implies. If your desk has piles of these applications, and they all claim to be based on the legal requirement of a consummated marriage, and half of them have photos as described in the article (of the happy couple making love under a waterfall), aren't you going to give those more credence (even if you aren't supposed to)? Of course you are.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they would just send it for what? for fun?? USCIS instructs you to provide proof that you're in a 'real' relationship, and half the people in the world are below-average at exercising good judgement... Or at parsing weird written and unwritten bureaucratic rules.
So, ah, how would a person who is above-average prove they're in a "sufficiently committed" relationship?
I had a family member go through this. Proof of travel, photos of trips, phone bills, so many phone bills, etc.
But I can easily see how it'd go wrong. If you spend your visits impersonating rabbits, what proof do you have? If you spend more time on snapchat than the phone, what proof do you have?
There's an old trope of "yes, I do have a girlfriend. you wouldn't know her, she's from another school." She lives in another city, she's from Canada, etc. How do you expect your friend to prove their claim? Now replace the playground with INS/USCIS.
It ends up being a very vague question because there's no set limit of what level of evidence you need to reach, you just need to "satisfy" whoever opens that file.