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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by gnulinux »

robertwt7 wrote: post #2

> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??

If you have to ask, you have no idea how complicated and messy the immigration law is. I talked to tenured immigration lawyers that either didn't sound like they understand the law at all, or outright admitted that they do not understand the law. Your lawyer can recommend you something and it can be wrong and you can lose the entire case you built the last 10 years with no recourse and have to leave your life/spouse (happened to people I know). Do not underestimate how confusing this process is, and when things are confusing, humans make mistakes.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts

The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat...

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat...

"Throughout the process, the couples — and the noncitizens in particular — have little to no expectation of privacy. The noncitizens submit bank statements, detailed medical records (including regarding their sexual and mental health), criminal history, and biometric information."

Yes unsurprisingly a country wants to do basic background checks on people it is making permanent residents and then citizens.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by anonu »

jMyles wrote: post #9

> The stakes are high — real families can be separated and lives ruined by a denial. It is understandable, then, that some people throw everything they have at the wall during the green card process. The system tells them that marriage, and the sex that consummates it, “is compulsory if you want access to the circuits of movement across borders,” Schaeffer said. What a stupid system. Why are we still doing this in 20…

You're calling this process, as characterized in this fairly oblique way, stupid. That characterization is the journalist's perspective.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by cturner »

ajmurmann wrote: post #38
cturner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(not an american citizen or resident) Open borders is not a serious public policy position for a western nation. Western culture is difficult to bootstrap, and requires effort to maintain. In the US, civics are taught to all of your children through the education system. People have shared mythologies about freedom and duty and senses of right and wrong. Even with this, there are strong frictions between traditions.…

I recommend taking a look at https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42867903 . Some core points pertinent to your concerns are: There is no precedence for lots of folks from ones location suddenly flooding a country just because they now can. There were huge fears Puerto Ricans would do this. Yet once they got the right to move to US states, only very, very few immigrated. It took up a little more once a Puerto Rican ex…

There is a wealth of precedence. For the last twenty years there has been a network of people smugglers in south east asia who fire up whenever the Australian government takes its eye off the ball.

I am currently in Malta and have had several conversations with hire car drivers who are living in difficult circumstances because they came here on boats as part of a plan to get to the UK and got stuck. There has been a significant controversy in the last month in the UK about that government’s attempts to dissuade unauthorised entries.

It is an ongoing project for European governments to manage fallout from the syrian civil war. Some of these people need to be monitored for terrorist tendencies, adding pressure to law enforcement.

In the US there is an ongoing project to ensure appropriate controls on its southern border.

These thing are happening right now, across the western world. Large investments from western governments trying to stay in control of their immigration arrangements.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by fieryskiff11 »

bombolo wrote: post #35
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

In europe, excluding scam countries like malta, you don't have to pay such high fees to get processing.

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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by thaumasiotes »

plantain wrote: post #24
incompatible wrote: post #17

Citizenship laws are arbitrary. I live in Australia, with a non-married partner, and we have very similar backgrounds, both being born in the same country (not Australia). But she is an Australian citizen, since it turns out that her mother was Australian and emigrated. I could now also become an Australian citizen, by obtaining a partnership visa, but it's a slow and expensive process involving a lot of intrusive pa…

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

Why did you need to spend AU$10,000?

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by mewse »

incompatible wrote: post #23
outworlder wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll just live here as a temporary visa holder instead Be glad that your temporary visa doesn't expire. That's... not common in other countries.

Yeah, it's special for historical reasons, the 444 visa. It's temporary in the sense that it would expire if I left Australia, but I could get another one if I came back. The other downside for any non-citizen is getting deported (or being denied reentry) if the government thinks you are undesirable for any reason. Edit: and I just want to make clear that I'm not criticising the Australian government in any way with…

I have a "Permanent Resident" visa in Australia which expires every five years. Kind of funny that they have a "Temporary Resident" visa which is permanent! :D

(the Permanent Resident visa can be renewed online in about fifteen minutes when it expires, they just want you to attest that you still live here)

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

jMyles wrote: post #12
sokoloff wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the proposed practical alternative to this “stupid system”?

I mean, I'm sure many people have different thoughts, but if you're specifically asking my views on borders, I very much prefer completely open borders. This is a huge country with plenty of room, friendly people, fresh water, and lots of work to be done. I have no interest in my state deciding whether my new neighbors are wanted.

Every country which is not an island has defacto open borders

You just need the competence, physical fitness and vehicles to cross the border offroad and not at the border station.

Even an island you could get there via an appropriate vehicle (a boat) and many people do from Cuba to the Us and from Africa to Europe

The policy you are referring to would be more aptly characterized as ‘oper welfare state’ or’safety net for all people geographically located in the land’

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by FpUser »

incompatible wrote: post #17

Citizenship laws are arbitrary. I live in Australia, with a non-married partner, and we have very similar backgrounds, both being born in the same country (not Australia). But she is an Australian citizen, since it turns out that her mother was Australian and emigrated. I could now also become an Australian citizen, by obtaining a partnership visa, but it's a slow and expensive process involving a lot of intrusive pa…

>"I don't lose much besides the right to vote."

The guy picked newspaper from the outside stand in front of store and walked away thinking it was usual free stuff. Well it was not. Few minutes later he was arrested, ended up being convicted and eventually deported as he was not citizen.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by steele »

bruceb wrote: post #42

This article is very light on actual stats and heavy on random opinion. The writer resorts to laundering her opinion via the other people's quotes instead of hard facts The forms for marriage and fiance visas for the US are readily available for anyone to check: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... "Throughout the process, the…

"Give me your tired, your poor, your bank statements, your sexual proclivities, your vial of saliva, perhaps a pantone swatch best describing your hue in the winter."
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