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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by incompatible »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #46
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

Why did you need to spend AU$10,000?

It's basically the visa cost plus any other expenses (like obtaining police reports from other countries you've lived in.) The visa is currently $8085.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-li...

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by robertwt7 »

pwinnski wrote: post #14
robertwt7 wrote: post #2

> Now, submitting graphic materials like this is generally a bad idea. No shit, what are these people thinking? after all of the years of hardwork to get the citizenship, they would just send it for what? for fun??

Have you ever tried to navigate the immigration process? I have, twice now. It's a Kafka-esque nightmare of Orwellian bureaucracy, and I wish I could think of a third famous writer to reference to finish this sentence. The first time, years ago, they "lost" a packet of information we had to reconstruct at great pains, and then had to get a second physical because they lost the report from the first one. We only found…

I did, and submitted a lot of photos (some are in the bedroom but don't feature any nudity), evidence of living together, travel plans, bank statements of joint accounts for the past few years, marriage cert, witnesses who has statutory declaration. it is time consuming, but i would never think of submitting nudes.

Maybe it helps for some people, but if that's the case then the system is rigged

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by davchana »

grecy wrote: post #5
vkou wrote: post #4

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> they would just send it for what? for fun?? USCIS instructs you to provide proof that you're in a 'real' relationship, and half the people in the world are below-average at exercising good judgement... Or at parsing weird written and unwritten bureaucratic rules.

So, ah, how would a person who is above-average prove they're in a "sufficiently committed" relationship?

At least few co mingled things, at the minimum mail to same address, joint tax returns, maybe some shared utilities bills, each person using their cards alternatively randomly while being together, some travel (local in city or far), some birthday anniversary stuff photos, few gifts like cards, flowers stuff, time & photos with each other's family, a detailed 4-10 pages of statement about relationship, how they met, when serious, who proposed, when wedding, who in wedding, wedding expenses bills, after wedding, stuff. Proof of communication , social media posts, chat screenshots. Not everything is required. Anything available should be submitted. I didn't had any joint bank statements, or utilities. I had 100s of photos.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by [deleted] »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #46
plantain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought getting an Australian partner visa for my German girlfriend was an expensive and arduous process - a few solid weeks putting together a big binder of all our information, but for 'only' 10,000$AUD and a 3 month wait, she's now a Permanent Resident. As I understand, it would not be possible in to do the reverse in Germany or most other European countries without waiting many years and getting married.

Why did you need to spend AU$10,000?

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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by gooseyman »

I went through this process once. While we didn’t send any explicit photos in, we did go in for an interview which is incredibly nerve racking even if you are a legitimate couple.

I forgot my US passport (I think - it was some doc that was optional but strongly encouraged to bring along the day of the interview). There was a quick, whispered couple bicker of “what do you mean YOU forgot it?!” Keep in mind we are sitting 4 feet from the officer. The officer heard it.

The officer looked up at me and smiled.

To this day I claim that was the moment that sealed our applications approval.

I wonder what they did with our wedding photos and photos from family gatherings.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by jMyles »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #48
jMyles wrote: post #12

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I mean, I'm sure many people have different thoughts, but if you're specifically asking my views on borders, I very much prefer completely open borders. This is a huge country with plenty of room, friendly people, fresh water, and lots of work to be done. I have no interest in my state deciding whether my new neighbors are wanted.

Every country which is not an island has defacto open borders You just need the competence, physical fitness and vehicles to cross the border offroad and not at the border station. Even an island you could get there via an appropriate vehicle (a boat) and many people do from Cuba to the Us and from Africa to Europe The policy you are referring to would be more aptly characterized as ‘oper welfare state’ or’safety net…

Sure - I agree wholeheartedly.

And I think we conduct a better service by walking back our welfare state and allowing many more people to join us.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by gumby »

jimbob45 wrote: post #59
makeitdouble wrote: post #51

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Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Okay, but America accepts more immigrants than any other country by orders of magnitude. That’s always forgotten whenever this discussion is brought up.

Why do people repeat this canard? I saw it on HN yesterday.

Meanwhile, after ignoring very small countries, countries like Australia and Switzerland have twice the percentage (about 30%) of immigrant residents than the USA, (about 15% — even Germany has more).

The US is a large country so the absolute number is higher than, say, Switzerland, but not by orders of magnitude.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by mhandley »

jimbob45 wrote: post #59
makeitdouble wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical record is out of question in most countries. The UK one for instance: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Okay, but America accepts more immigrants than any other country by orders of magnitude. That’s always forgotten whenever this discussion is brought up.

Yes, but by immigrants as a fraction of population, the US doesn't score especially high. Australia, Switzerland, New Zealand, Israel, Canada, Sweden, Austria, Germany, Ireland, Belgium and Norway all have a higher fraction of the population being immigrants, amongst many more.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigrati...

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by em-bee »

cturner wrote: post #44
ajmurmann wrote: post #38

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I recommend taking a look at https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42867903 . Some core points pertinent to your concerns are: There is no precedence for lots of folks from ones location suddenly flooding a country just because they now can. There were huge fears Puerto Ricans would do this. Yet once they got the right to move to US states, only very, very few immigrated. It took up a little more once a Puerto Rican ex…

There is a wealth of precedence. For the last twenty years there has been a network of people smugglers in south east asia who fire up whenever the Australian government takes its eye off the ball. I am currently in Malta and have had several conversations with hire car drivers who are living in difficult circumstances because they came here on boats as part of a plan to get to the UK and got stuck. There has been a…

manage fallout from the syrian civil war

but these people came as refugees, and the borders were opened for them. without the war, they would not have come.

so basically, for refugees, the borders are already open, and most people who are not refugees would not come even if borders were open for them too.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by leereeves »

gooseyman wrote: post #65

I went through this process once. While we didn’t send any explicit photos in, we did go in for an interview which is incredibly nerve racking even if you are a legitimate couple. I forgot my US passport (I think - it was some doc that was optional but strongly encouraged to bring along the day of the interview). There was a quick, whispered couple bicker of “what do you mean YOU forgot it?!” Keep in mind we are sitt…

> To this day I claim that was the moment that sealed our applications approval.

I believe it. There's a reason "bickering like an old married couple" is a cliche.

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