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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #189

Its interesting that this cites a "mental illness epidemic" but only seems to cover anxiety/depression. I want statistics on ADHD, PTSD, autism, eating disorders, psychosis, and personality disorders too! If there is a major rise in ED (primarily women) it would explain why there are so many hospitalizations, because EDs are deadly.

Sorry, what is ED in this context?

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #189

Its interesting that this cites a "mental illness epidemic" but only seems to cover anxiety/depression. I want statistics on ADHD, PTSD, autism, eating disorders, psychosis, and personality disorders too! If there is a major rise in ED (primarily women) it would explain why there are so many hospitalizations, because EDs are deadly.

Sorry, what is ED in this context?

Eating Disorder, but in general it's more commonly used to mean Executive Dysfunction and (in a different context) Erectile Dysfunction. Bad idea IMO to use it without first-time expansion in such an ambiguous context.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #365

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This is pretty lame, given that there's a good amount of users who are basically only commenting to say "capitalism bad, mhkay", yet for some reason that's not "primarily for political/ideological battle". Applying rules evenly makes the rules seem better.

We've been applying the rules evenly for years, or at least have put in years' worth of effort to do so. The problem is that no matter how evenly one applies the rules, people with strong ideological passions still feel that we are biased against their side and secretly favor the other side. I think this is because everyone is more likely to notice and place greater weight on the cases that they happen to dislike. ht…

I find the "both extremes are mad at me so I must be doing something right" defense not really useful, as it really doesn't say much about how evenly you apply moderation. You could be a hair's width away from being a fascist, and some full on fascist would complain that you're too left wing, and both a centrist and a leftist would complain that you're too right wing.

I don't want to complain about people doing it (but I have commented on it, and taken the punishment), I'd just prefer the moderation to be "either there's none or we keep our hands off".

I understand that it's not an easy position to be in, as you have to keep people happy, and enforcing the rules sometimes doesn't vibe with everyone, but I do believe that Facebook got that right (one of the few things!): if you say that you can't make sexist comments, you also can't make sexist comments about men. Twitter and Reddit got that wrong, and I believe you've got it wrong as well, as you'll ban someone like the person here, but you wouldn't bane someone who is the opposite.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #106

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We grew up with the threat of nuclear destruction, as well as global warming, in the 1980s.

Nuclear destruction wasn't the same in key ways: - It was only a possibility. You also knew the nukes might not launch, the world might not end. - If the nukes did launch, it wouldn't be due to a moral failure of your own. - Although you may sometimes have felt scared or depressed about the USSR and MAD, you weren't being constantly told by your society that optimism was illegitimate thoughtcrime. Climate doomerism i…

I have no idea what you mean by "climate propaganda".

I just lived in a place that experienced 8 consecutive heat waves that shattered all known records in the area and which will destroy the regional economic livelihood.

A totally unprecedented event, which we know with quite a bit of certainty will begin to occur frequently.

I have no idea how you expect polite society to accept that without distress.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Not many things are as fulfilling as doing a job and getting paid for it. Sorry, I don't get fulfillment from a job, nor do I base my personality on it. A job is a thing that I have to do to live and do some stuff I like. That's it, nothing more. I'd never do actual work unless I had to, and I'd never work full time if I didn't have to. I'm never going to be motivated to work harder for a fancy car if I can have a re…

>base my personality on it Your words, not gp. A part-time job as a teen helps you navigate and integrate into society. Part-time helps you get out of your bubble and interact with the public, who may be different to your upbringing. It is immediately clear to me who has had a job as a teen (read: service job), and who has not in my experience. This may be a form of reverse-classism on my part, but learning to sweep…

> While I was working 10h/w during high school, I was also making DOOM wads and learning BSP algo in my extremely ample free time.

I don't recall having what I would call "ample" spare time in high school. I recall being at school 8:30 to 4 every day, then a few hours of homework daily and/or exam prep for the endless exams ("don't fail" they said, "or you'll never go to university and your life is ruined forever!"). I wasn't even that social and rarely spent time at friend's houses, let alone partying or clubbing. In fact, I had so little time I didn't explore "computers" as an industry until I finally did get to university and could actually spend 6 hours a day after lectures fiddling with a laptop and this thing called "Python".

In fact probably the one thing that got me going on electronics and computers at university wasn't the lectures and assignments as much as the free time and ability to spend whole days on things, not to mention socialising freely and at length.

With the min-maxing of pre-university CVs that it seems you need to do to get into the Right Schools (TM) and then into university, I'm not sure it has gotten better since then.

In retrospect I should have told them all to do one and spent high school on what I wanted rather than another essay about WWII and the endless, endless coursework that would suck up any spare time ("I've got an hour, I'd better polish the portfolio even more"), and even if I'd gotten the dreaded lower grades and so not gotten into the same university it would probably have been better over all.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Nobody pays minimum wage anymore, at least not if you want to hire anyone. $12/hr is the absolute lowest I've heard of in the past year or two. Employers do value experience at menial jobs, at least for their own entry level positions. Any work experience is better than none.

$12/hr is at or under the minimum wage in 19 of 54 US jurisdictions (50 states + DC, VI, PR, CNMI), so depending on where you are, that’s…not that significant.

Where I live minimum wage is the federal minimum of $7.25/hr. Major chain fast-food jobs are starting at about $14/hr here, so nearly double.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #296

I'm a father of teen kids, teacher and educator. I don't think that there is a single reason here. All mentioned things contribute – social media pressure, climate problems, economical crisis etc. But I'd like to add another one – declining quality of education. I see increasing number of teens depressed because they don't have teachers and their education isn't good enough for jobs they'd like to get in future. And…

I'm not sure you can blame problems such as climate change, economic issues -- every generation had its own existential crisis: WW2, Korea, Vietnam, numerous recessions and until 1990, recent generations lived under the specter of the atom bomb. I think it's social media, that's what's really changed: Every single teenager is now comparing themselves against every other kid in the world instead of just their local pe…

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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There's also been a corresponding dramatic drop in the number of teens who have had any sort of job. Not many things are as fulfilling as doing a job and getting paid for it. I remember when I realized I was making enough money that I could pay all my bills and no longer needed anything from my dad. It felt really good. For me that was the dividing line between being a child and an adult.

Not many things are as fulfilling as doing a job and getting paid for it. Sorry, I don't get fulfillment from a job, nor do I base my personality on it. A job is a thing that I have to do to live and do some stuff I like. That's it, nothing more. I'd never do actual work unless I had to, and I'd never work full time if I didn't have to. I'm never going to be motivated to work harder for a fancy car if I can have a re…

> playing games

I long ago lost all interest in playing games. The problem with them is nothing is accomplished. Play pinball and get a number on the display. Play Doom and - nothing. Although I invented the Empire game, most of my pleasure in it was developing it.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #296

I'm a father of teen kids, teacher and educator. I don't think that there is a single reason here. All mentioned things contribute – social media pressure, climate problems, economical crisis etc. But I'd like to add another one – declining quality of education. I see increasing number of teens depressed because they don't have teachers and their education isn't good enough for jobs they'd like to get in future. And…

I'm not sure you can blame problems such as climate change, economic issues -- every generation had its own existential crisis: WW2, Korea, Vietnam, numerous recessions and until 1990, recent generations lived under the specter of the atom bomb. I think it's social media, that's what's really changed: Every single teenager is now comparing themselves against every other kid in the world instead of just their local pe…

> Every single teenager is now comparing themselves against every other kid in the world instead of just their local peers

This is so out of touch. You might as well be using the "It's the video games!" excuse of yore.

Teenagers and those in their 20s see what their parents were able to do. They hear what their parents bought their house for, they know about their pensions, they see that their parents could afford raising a child into their teens, they find out that college was actually affordable. They know that's now all out of reach.

Some even see their parents struggling, and know it's going to be much much worse for them.

You all really think this is about influencers?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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That wouldn't explain such a drastic rise in one demographic (teenagers)

Take away the social media, and I suspect the teens would have far fewer mental health problems.

or would they just be less visible and less talked about?
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