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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Post by lordnacho »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #183
bentt wrote: post #150

I would like to see this conversation turn from "Did phones cause these problems" to "Here's exactly how phones caused these problems". There are many ways to use technology, some better than others. We need literacy in these areas for both parents and children, and things are moving so fast, it's the companies that are getting to write the rules, not the culture. It's time for the culture to push back but we need to…

First though, we need to establish with enough certainty that whatever we are doing with phones is indeed the main culprit. I don't find it hard to believe to be honest, but we need something a bit more solid that this one correlation.

It's a multipart series, I'm hopeful the evidence will be presented in the next parts.

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Post by jacooper »

Aunche wrote: post #139
ouid wrote: post #131

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Coming to the conclusion that there is nothing you can do serves no evolutionary purpose either. You should continue looking for an out as long as any possibility remains, no matter how remote.

What gave you the impression that I think nothing can be done? You can drive less, eat less meat, vote for certain politicians etc. What's a waste of mental energy is worrying that everyone else is going to do the same thing. This is often counterproductive to the problem it's trying to solve, like Greta Thunberg inspiring millions of kids to skip school in the name of "raising awareness."

And all of the things you just listed, do absolutely nothing compared to demonstrating against using oil and coal. Instead they just make your life worse, much more than it helps the environment. Virtue signaling if you will.

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Post by WalterBright »

obscurette wrote: post #218

I'm a father of teen kids, teacher and educator. I don't think that there is a single reason here. All mentioned things contribute – social media pressure, climate problems, economical crisis etc. But I'd like to add another one – declining quality of education. I see increasing number of teens depressed because they don't have teachers and their education isn't good enough for jobs they'd like to get in future. And…

There's also been a corresponding dramatic drop in the number of teens who have had any sort of job. Not many things are as fulfilling as doing a job and getting paid for it.

I remember when I realized I was making enough money that I could pay all my bills and no longer needed anything from my dad. It felt really good. For me that was the dividing line between being a child and an adult.

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Post by tiedieconderoga »

ttt3ts wrote: post #255
irq wrote: post #250

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Ignorance is indeed bliss, right up until they’re at your door. I like to have advance warning.

So you can? (serious question not sarcastic)

Well, if you had completely ignored the news circa Feb 2020, you would have had an unpleasant shock when you ran out of toilet paper and tried to buy more.

Forewarned is forearmed.

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Post by notch898a »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #293
notch898a wrote: post #287

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In the old days trans people weren't shooting up christian schools out of frustration. I wonder if perhaps society made a mistake by so many members giving them the false impression that society should accept them for who they identify as. In the old days they pretty much had to learn to accept themselves for who they were and not worry about what other people thought, both because no one was encouraging them they de…

I actually don't think it's wise to make a claim that more than one trans person has shot up more than one christian school at this point, or even to attribute the terrorist act by a single trans person to the acceptance of transgender people more broadly.

I've specifically said they weren't shooting up christian schools in the old days, with no commentary on the (non-zero) number of schools shot in modern days, so I have no idea what you're even arguing against. Your whole comment is a side-step strawman.

Although for the record it doesn't even make sense to say "trans person wasn't shooting school in the old days." Pluralization is an appropriate use of English here.

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Post by luckylion »

dang wrote: post #294
ChickenNugger wrote: post #191

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This is just an ad hominem. Address the content/message, not the speaker.

I agree with you about ad hominems but unfortunately your account has been using HN primarily for political/ideological battle, and also is arguably breaking the rule against trollish usernames here ( https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... ). I've therefore banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow th…

This is pretty lame, given that there's a good amount of users who are basically only commenting to say "capitalism bad, mhkay", yet for some reason that's not "primarily for political/ideological battle".

Applying rules evenly makes the rules seem better.

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Post by banannaise »

cornholio wrote: post #214
giantg2 wrote: post #173

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"that is constrained by a gender role where aesthetic appeal and social interactions are the most valuable assets?" In theory we should have seen a spike and then slow decline as gender norms and roles continue to become less segregating. "Yet other categories see linear or token increases." Yeah, because other categories may manifest their problems differently. Such as young men turning to violence and drugs more th…

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> A significant part of the trans movement is a reactionary reinforcement of rigid gender roles

This is an anti-trans talking point and not remotely representative of actual trans communities.

Source: am trans and nonbinary, and I have never heard another trans person complain about me not fitting into specific gender roles. The only people who complain are cis people who think my gender or lack thereof is either a ruse or a mental illness.

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Post by thelopa »

notch898a wrote: post #287
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #227

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> And it's no coincidence young female teens are by far the most susceptible to transition to the opposite role: social media tells them "they were born in the wrong bodies". Um, statistically, trans women are more common than trans men.

In the old days trans people weren't shooting up christian schools out of frustration. I wonder if perhaps society made a mistake by so many members giving them the false impression that society should accept them for who they identify as. In the old days they pretty much had to learn to accept themselves for who they were and not worry about what other people thought, both because no one was encouraging them they de…

This narrative about trans shooters is disconnected from reality. If you take every trans shooter in the last decade, you get less than 10… out of thousands. For context, last year America has nearly 700 mass shootings. Trans people are actually under represented in mass shootings. Estimates put trans people at up to 1% of the population. We would naively expect 7 shooters last year to be trans, but none were. Saying that the recent shooter is part of a trend of transgender shooters requires outright ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

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Post by synergy20 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #273
Xeoncross wrote: post #247

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Yeah, The US education system seems to have more money than most countries, but we're still 37th in the world for in Math last I checked. Whatever is happening in public schools, you'd do well to increase your child's odds by putting them into something else if you can afford it. Private school, tutoring, homeschooling, college (dual-enrollment), etc..

Middle class and above kids still do as well in math in public schools as they do in private schools. The problem is that students from more disadvantaged backgrounds don't do as well, and its not like they can afford private schools anyways.

I grew up poor, it has nothing to do with private school to me at all, it's all about struggling parents still convinced their kids to do their best, and put education first as a family group effort.

most of the poor here still is relatively much better off than those from under-developed countries, plus our school provides free lunch, many programs will waive fees if you're economically disadvantaged, etc. It's not as good as those well-off families but it's really good enough for you to do fine in education.

I saw so many economically challenged kids carrying new iphones, dressed well, yet not really into learning at schools, it's certainly not just an economic problem.

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Post by WalterBright »

amilios wrote: post #207

(Seemingly) Inevitable climate change and ecological destruction, growing income inequality and falling standards of living, a deathly pandemic that's still killing people while we pretend everything is back to normal (+ long covid probably bringing about a disability crisis in 3-5 years), increasing tensions between various nuclear-capable states (Russia, China) and the West, changes in the age distribution in most…

> the world is just getting depressing as hell for young people who see less and less of a future for themselves

I heard exactly the same thing in the 1970s.

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