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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I guess the problem is that Google doesn't have a metric for "clicked, wasted ten minutes, and was annoyed."

They could have let Chrome users rank any page they're browsing to get quality feedback. The installed base is massive.

That would just be gamed like everything else. Downvote the competition, pay SEO folks to rank your stuff high, etc

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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They could have let Chrome users rank any page they're browsing to get quality feedback. The installed base is massive.

That would just be gamed like everything else. Downvote the competition, pay SEO folks to rank your stuff high, etc

It would be quite costly to pay millions of people to do your bidding when you're competing against millions of real users.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I'm confused.

Surely ChatGPT, etc have been trained on content from these very same SEO optimisation hellholes you're talking about if it was trained by scraping the web?

Is there some trick that allows it to determine whether the content it's being trained on is SEO garbage?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like all you're getting is an amalgam of SEO content feed to you by a bot...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

SEO garbage is such a problem these days that, if I were Google, more than using AI as a new frontend for search, I'd be trying to find a way to use it to defeat SEO.

SEO for AI will be worse. Their output is a probabilistic distribution conditioned on the text is has read, so you can place text that heavily biases the output. Usually figuring out what this is can be kind of hard, but since OpenAI lets you query GPT-4 for credits, you can just mine what these special phrases are.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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The internet has been creaking under the load of hyper scale SEO content. Content that makes you ask how anyone could let this happen. It’s embarrassing. The internet has had a horrible experience for years now. ChatGPT arrived to finally sift through this mess on our behalf and deliver reasonable experience. Google should have been the one to do this. They invented the tech after all. But they got trapped in the inn…

AI based SEO will be way worse, if Bing chat catches on then you'll be wishing to go back to the stuff that was written by humans with a vague understanding of how SEO works. SEO for AI LLMs is basically impossible to figure out as a human, since they are actually just complete nonsense, and the most optimal thing is to mine for phrases that will give you the answer, and OpenAI just sells access to the tools to test for that.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

> Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work.

I swear, there was a golden age around 2015/2016 when voice assistants worked _very_ well, and it has all gotten significantly worse since then. I used to use a Google Home all of the time, up until a year or two ago when I finally got rid of voice assistants.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I'm confused. Surely ChatGPT, etc have been trained on content from these very same SEO optimisation hellholes you're talking about if it was trained by scraping the web? Is there some trick that allows it to determine whether the content it's being trained on is SEO garbage? Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like all you're getting is an amalgam of SEO content feed to you by a bot...

Not an expert but one of the datasets used to train OpenAI GPT is Common Crawl and they use Harmonic Centrality not PageRank.

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/harmonic-centrality-page...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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A computer hardware fashion company.

It's styling and accessories brand.

Doesn't mean Tim Cook hasn't been successful at his job and what Apple has required of him.

They just don't really make technology for people that want to understand and have real ownership of their computer and software.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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The problem AI search has is monetization, openAI can't run gpu server farms to serve 100M customers for free forever. This was a problem that plagued early google as well, sergey and larry were against using ads for monetization, but in the end that i what drove the business to profitability

I wonder if AI search could be sth consumers would happily pay a tiny bit for

sth?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Larry and Sergey are radioactive post-MeToo. I'm not sure how people manage to constantly forget the extent of their misbehavior and misconduct of Harvey Weinstein-level proportions. But it's there, and if they come out of their private island hidey-holes, they will almost certainly get reminded of it, very publicly. Also, they have absolutely no reason to. Both have more money than they could ever spend in several g…

> the extent of their misbehavior and misconduct of Harvey Weinstein-level proportions That’s a pretty significant accusation considering Weinstein is rotting in prison for the rest of his likely short existence. I’ve never heard any of this except maybe one of them had an affair. Can you pull some of this out of the memory hole that it’s apparently been dropped into?

It's kinda hard to decide where to start. Probably that Sergey Brin said that the entire point of hiring female employees was to have sex with them. Kinda explains the affair(s) with subordinates. There was the whole bit where after Andy Rubin's sexual harassment situation was uncovered, Larry Page voluntarily pushed to give him an extra $90 on his way out the door as a thank you. There's an absolutely unreal fact that their chief legal officer for heaven's sake broke HR policy, fathered a kid with a subordinate, and when it became public, the subordinate was forced to move departments, rather than penalizing a close accomplice of Larry and Sergey's. Even Eric Schmidt, the freaking "adult in the room" hired to come make the place run professionally, made sure his mistress got a piece of the action and hired her in. This is just the stuff that's already publicly known, that I could run off the top of my head.

That entire top level of the company in that era is a radioactive wasteland of outright abuse, and everyone involved are billionaires or near billionaires. If you don't think there's a massive list of women with a bit more courage today to speak about their experiences with that group... Literally the best thing these awful excuses for humans can do is go hide on their private islands and enjoy the 1% of their wealth they can find a way to spend before they die of old age.

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