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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by unshavedyak »

user3939382 wrote: post #156
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

For me it’s not even theoretical. I’ve already wasted my time trying to sus out subtle garbage mixed into its answers. It’s the same reason I stopped using copilot. I don’t need or want that.

Funny, so far i've been just asking it things i normally ask Google. Same paranoia of answers that StackOverflow/etc give me, but far quicker and more responsive.

TBH i'm not sure under what scenarios people search into Google expecting perfect answers. Ie where we're disappointed by incorrect information. I filter through a dozen wrong answers on Google every day. Why is it different if it's from ChatGPT?

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Post by nicce »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #307
nicce wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

> you need to manually verify the content Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request? They seem to be doing this e.g. with the Wolfram integration.

> Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request?

Because many are still fake, nonexistent.

Wolfram is very limited scope for the global population needs.

E.g if you ask about local hunting laws from ChatGPT, without correct reference, what can you do with that information? It is very dangerous to trust them blindly.

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Post by moonchrome »

Animats wrote: post #11

Users have to sign in with a Microsoft account to use this. Is that the future? You have to sign up to search? It takes more resources per query to run AI-based search than a search engine. Everybody offering ChatGPT type systems is either pay per view or heavily throttled. We may be in the last days of free search as the dominant product.

I have no problem with paying for high quality ad free search. I would welcome the change.

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Post by pwinnski »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #295
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

They had the resources, but the Venn diagram of gamers and people familiar enough with Google to doubt their commitment had a lot of overlap.

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Post by dataflow »

this_user wrote: post #258
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android?

When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

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Post by pwinnski »

m3kw9 wrote: post #264
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

I think OpenAI just executed with perfection, also their focus on AI was a big competitive advantage vs Google who have 50 different things

OpenAI's product is AI, all else is in service to that.

Google's product is ads, with all else--including AI--in service to that.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by tippytippytango »

The internet has been creaking under the load of hyper scale SEO content. Content that makes you ask how anyone could let this happen. It’s embarrassing. The internet has had a horrible experience for years now. ChatGPT arrived to finally sift through this mess on our behalf and deliver reasonable experience.

Google should have been the one to do this. They invented the tech after all. But they got trapped in the innovator’s dilemma, just like Kodak. Interesting how even with the benefit of history we repeat these mistakes over and over.

In the big picture it doesn’t matter. Society still gets the benefit of the tech at the end of the day. The employees play musical chairs as the industry reorganizes and a new order emerges. Life goes on.

I am just glad getting information from the internet is pleasant again. Although there is a nagging problem. How are people going to get paid to write content to feed the models? Hmm

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Post by trafficante »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #236
ByThyGrace wrote: post #179

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> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

Most of the Googles SERP results already are delusional or hallucinating spam, so the bar is low and for me at least ChatGTP is less bullshit.

Yeah, when the “site:” search hack doesn’t get me an answer and I fall back on the normal SERPs, most of the time the top several results are all:

“Authoritative title that references my exact search” -> page body restates my question, gives an oddly reworded summary of Thing in Question #1 -> “some people online have said” followed by snippets lifted from the ether -> repeat for Things 2,3,etc -> “our suggestion is to look at the features and decide based on what other customers/users are saying”

It’s perfected vapidity wearing the skin of an editorial review site and takes a LOT more cognitive load to suss out the phoneyness compared to the last time the SERPs were packed with spam (~10 years back).

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Post by pwinnski »

antipaul wrote: post #273
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

It definitely doesn't mean ads, and introducing ads would be a mistake.

They will likely lower the limits on free use once they're ready to handle a huge influx of paid users. They are in a tough spot temporarily ramping up things enough to take the limits of paid accounts, and since they can't onboard everybody they're being generous with the free tier, but that will end.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #211
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #191

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+1 except for Larry/Sergei ever returning, I think that ship sailed about 10 years ago

Yeah, I don't particularly see the value of having the founders back - they haven't been hands on for a real long time.

Larry and Sergey are radioactive post-MeToo. I'm not sure how people manage to constantly forget the extent of their misbehavior and misconduct of Harvey Weinstein-level proportions. But it's there, and if they come out of their private island hidey-holes, they will almost certainly get reminded of it, very publicly.

Also, they have absolutely no reason to. Both have more money than they could ever spend in several generations of childrens' lifetimes, and barring the absolute worst case scenario, even a moderately mediocre Google will continue to generate absolutely hilarious amounts of wealth for them for a long time to come. Being a has been like IBM or Oracle isn't going to really harm them much at all.

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