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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by freediver »

bradly wrote: post #142
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

Do you mind providing correct answers for those? (and did GPT get them right?)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by cutemonster »

jocaal wrote: post #212
epistasis wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Google is trying to get people to stay on the pages they click, and they optimize for this behavior, not for utility or for quickly accessing information. If you go to a page and immediately find what you are looking for, Google interprets that as failure. This is why Bing and AI based search can completely beat Google web search, because they are trying to serve the searcher rather than serve ads…

The problem AI search has is monetization, openAI can't run gpu server farms to serve 100M customers for free forever. This was a problem that plagued early google as well, sergey and larry were against using ads for monetization, but in the end that i what drove the business to profitability

I wonder if AI search could be sth consumers would happily pay a tiny bit for

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nicce »

taf2 wrote: post #297
nicce wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

For code - I can read the code and verify myself... If I was asking whether the sky is blue or some other kind of "fact" based question sure... But really how is that different with search? I can look at the website and say ah I trust this website over that other website... I think it's a new flavor of "don't trust everything you hear on the TV" Or in more modern day "Don't trust everything you read on the internet",…

> "Don't trust everything you read on the internet", or "Don't trust everything you hear on social media"

There is a difference. There are places with reputation and backlogs and even with scientific references.

But if AI just gives you a text, there is nothing. Until they fix references, you can’t really use it for anything factual, non-logical information.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by stevenhuang »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #313

Bing's homepage is full of ads and sponsored content aka news. They have rewards in the top bar. Chat only works on Edge. I just directly use ChatGPT instead of going to Bing. I will continue to use the cleaner look of Google, even if they are a year late to the party.

For real. There is so much frivolous crap in Edge. All this points nonsense and gamification of search is so off-putting I can't see how this browser is taken seriously.

Note the only way to hide the obnoxious bing discover button is to edit the registry... pure insanity.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by crop_rotation »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Azure is a functioning newish business.

The difference is Microsoft already has a very diversified revenue stream. Google only has search.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by guelo »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #191
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

+1 except for Larry/Sergei ever returning, I think that ship sailed about 10 years ago

Larry was the one that killed Eric Schmidt's unbelievably successful run in the 00's with his "more wood behind fewer arrows" and the elevation of PMs over engineers.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by rvnx »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Xbox Cloud Gaming ?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by dmix »

myko wrote: post #283
dmix wrote: post #242

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The response speed of GPT isn't fast enough for me to want to use it like Google. Even with plus.

The response speed of Bard is much better in my experimentation. The creativity of the output on Bard is lacking, though.

That's good to hear. I was concerned it might just be a hard limitation in the early days, tech wise.

Can Bard output quality code like GPT? I'm in Canada so couldn't use Bard sadly.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by VirusNewbie »

in3d wrote: post #217
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by seydor »

this_user wrote: post #258
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something
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