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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by senko »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

> I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to do with AI-generated content becoming more ubiquitous

No. There's a cottage industry of content writers that just churn out this stuff by the bucket.

I have tried to hire writers in the past that should've been niche experts but just regurgitated content like this, and had SEO experts trying to convince me that we should actually aim for low quality because higher-quality articles will be too dense for people. (both contractors got the boot and the "content" went into the bin)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by echelon »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #208
echelon wrote: post #106

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I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks. Google, Amazon, and Apple all allow trademark and product name squatting. It's gross and abusive. Generic terms? Sure. But actual trade names for products? That's extortion. These services aren't helping in discovery if the customer already knows the name. They're merely forcing thems…

> I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks. I'm of the opinion ads themselves should be illegal. Companies can "advertise" in a catalog I can choose to look at, but would no longer be allowed to invade my attention with their bullshit constantly. We've let marketers ruin too many good things as it is, lets just kill off the e…

That's too extreme. The economy would fall apart and a lot of people would lose their livelihoods.

Think about second order effects. YouTubers. News stations. Newspapers. Film crews. Publishers. Writers. Marketers (who do more than just ads). All impacted.

Many of the products we use everyday would no longer be viable. Even the premium tiers are supported by ads.

Engineering salaries would be broadly impacted.

The economy is driven by hustle, sales, and ads. I'd rather live in this world than one than one that has no ads. We'd be less productive: less employed, less eager to buy, less eager to work. Maybe some aspire to that, but that society won't be building rocket ships and inventing immortality.

I do hate ads, but they're better than not having them. And I understand their utility and the overall ecosystem they support.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by LordDragonfang »

zarzavat wrote: post #397
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #382

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> If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia? There was Google Code, a service that was similar to GitHub. Google Code was closed down on January 15, 2016 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers... ).

True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market: the closest is Android studio which is just JetBrains.

Google actually did build an IDE that they use internally called Cider, but it's so tightly integrated with their weird monolithic VCS that it wouldn't make sense to release it publicly.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by danielbln »

partiallypro wrote: post #442
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

On a related note, I wonder how soon we'll see a "copilot" for Microsoft Azure that does deployments etc using AI, even piping it into Azure CLI.

Not long I bet, the DevOps space is ripe for automation.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by LordDragonfang »

crakenzak wrote: post #509
VirusNewbie wrote: post #339

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Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

not true. source: I work at Google, and have been using internal bard since they launched it for us internally.

Isn't the internal version of "copilot" (for Cider) pretty good, though?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by woeirua »

kweingar wrote: post #469
woeirua wrote: post #410

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GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge). Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going…

I’ve said this before on HN, but if LLM agents catch on, won’t it be self-defeating in the long term? They need to pull tons of info from the web to be useful and up-to-date. If we all stop visiting websites, then who’s going to keep publishing all of that info?

The ad based revenue model is done, yes. A lot of sites will still exist though behind paywalls.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by pantalaimon »

danans wrote: post #165
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #107

While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

> Would be curious to hear from some Googlers on their thoughts. I'm sure, internally, a lot of it must feel like piling on from the outside, but in all honestly it really feels to me like a classic case of "big company that lost its way Former Googler, opinions are my own. They haven't lost their way technologically - as you mentioned they invented the Transformer - and internally Google has long had language models…

Well it seems like Bing’s version is more sassy than ChatGPT's Assistent. But that just makes it feel more human-like which is impressive.

Google used to be quirky and exiting too, now they are trying to be as boring as possible.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Shaggy2000 »

danans wrote: post #165
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #107

While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

> Would be curious to hear from some Googlers on their thoughts. I'm sure, internally, a lot of it must feel like piling on from the outside, but in all honestly it really feels to me like a classic case of "big company that lost its way Former Googler, opinions are my own. They haven't lost their way technologically - as you mentioned they invented the Transformer - and internally Google has long had language models…

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by pixl97 »

ghaff wrote: post #455
itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #378

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Microsoft learned the hard way that the platform doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the games to bring people to it. It’s why they’ve spent billions left and right to acquire studios and publishers.

Hardcore gamers are basically a niche market. Not a trivial one as with power users of other types but how is Apple doing without (other than casual) gamers?

Console gamers are a niche market? I think you're statistics might be a little broken.
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