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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

majormajor wrote: post #361
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

I remember Stadia as being a late-to-the-party (OnLive and others beat them to launch by a decade) me-too offering that claimed that it would be way better than alternatives because of unique Google infrastructure advantages and resources... but didn't deliver on those claims. Hype instead of actual product abilities. Then when the hype didn't win the market in the first year, they didn't have the stamina to keep goi…

> they didn't have the stamina to keep going

This is key to my current perception of Google. I don't get invested in any new Google product for the same reason I don't get invested in any new Netflix show, it's a coin flip whether they will cancel it while I'm in the middle of it.

Search, Gmail, Android and Maps are the only things I regularly use, all of which I'd be happy to replace with another offering, some of which I'm already starting to replace.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by josephjrobison »

Aunche wrote: post #357
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

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I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

The problem is that Google’s core business model is too profitable, that nothing else can ever compete for attention and resources.

But you’re right, they need to take the burn for awhile until escape velocity. I think they did with YouTube in general until the ads money hit.

They’re also more geeky and not that creative of a company, nor do they really get design, so some of their blind spots can hurt them from time to time, although that’s separate from their AI issues which yes they have bungled their lead do to fears of the feds.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by reaperducer »

bradly wrote: post #142
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

What's the best way to get ChatGPT support if the official support page is not working?

Ooh! What was the answer to this one?

I tried to sign up for ChatGPT, but the verification text never arrives.

(No, it's not a soft phone. I've had the same phone number on the same cell carrier for over 20 years.)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by rvnx »

seydor wrote: post #340
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

If we look at where the Transformer guys work now, it can explain a lot. It's not Google. So from there if the know-how has left, iterating on this idea could be more complex.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by o8o8o8o »

Aunche wrote: post #357
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

My favorite anecdote about Microsoft's Xbox strategy is that the original Xbox was a net loss of about $4 billion, and they considered that to be a huge success because that's just how much money it takes to muscle your way into an industry like gaming.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by WXLCKNO »

sliken wrote: post #384
in3d wrote: post #217

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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

I stopped using my Google home when it started adding stuff like "by the way, if you ever wanna X you can ask me Y" when I just wanted the weather or the time. Horrible.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by zarzavat »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #382
zarzavat wrote: post #348

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That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit. MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would…

> If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia? There was Google Code, a service that was similar to GitHub. Google Code was closed down on January 15, 2016 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers... ).

True but I meant GoogleCode as an analogy to VSCode i.e. a Google text editor / IDE. It’s very telling that Google has never entered that market: the closest is Android studio which is just JetBrains.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nicce »

pwinnski wrote: post #347
nicce wrote: post #322

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> Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request? Because many are still fake, nonexistent. Wolfram is very limited scope for the global population needs. E.g if you ask about local hunting laws from ChatGPT, without correct reference, what can you do with that information? It is very dangerous to trust them blindly.

Bing is exposing source links for their answers, one-click verification. Wolfram has a much wider scope of information than I think most people realize, but your example of local hunting laws is a good example of what they don't cover. I asked Wolfram, and it told me how many calories I'd burn while hunting. I asked Google, and the first link was to Hunting Regulations - Outdoor Annual - TPWD - Texas.gov, excellent r…

> I've had some misses with OpenAI, but this was an excellent answer. I've also had some misses with Google, but this turned out to be something they surfaced excellent link for, too.

Think about the bias - maybe you were able to verify that the answer was excellent because you already knew the laws? Or you Googled and compared it? In both cases, ChatGPT did not perfom alone in providing validity. It kinda gave a summary for search results of Google, or for your pre-knowledge.

Imagine if someone who does not know the laws, asks about them. ChatGPT cannot offer any validity alone for the user, at least yet.

ChatGPT provides often excellent answers, I am not denying it. But the bad 5% ruins everything if they sound alike for the correct 95%, and if ChatGPT cannot provide any validity for them, at least yet.

Often you ask things you don’t know or haven’t searched before.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by michaelt »

rippercushions wrote: post #308
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

There was certainly skepticism - but it wasn't only about being cancelled. Plenty of it was around questions like "will the latency be good enough?" and "what's with this buy-games-outright-then-also-pay-monthly pricing model?"

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by WXLCKNO »

antipaul wrote: post #273
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

I'm sure this internet thing will die out too.
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