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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Dalewyn »

sliken wrote: post #384
in3d wrote: post #217

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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

>the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted

Customers are learning or have learned, the hard way, that home automation is not at all like fairy dust and unicorns.

See for example: Linus Tech Tips.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by throwaway1851 »

code_runner wrote: post #241
ByThyGrace wrote: post #179

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> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

hallucinations don't invalidate the product itself. I really hate to see this constant lazy refrain on here. Its just like anything else. Trust but verify. Some will just trust, others never will... People probably over-trust the tech now, but just like wikipedia it will be approached a little more carefully as people learn its shortcomings. Unless you're trying to perform open heart surgery or doing something intrin…

It’s not a lazy refrain, it’s a serious downside of the technology. It’s tiring and stressful to supervise the work product of an assistant that is extremely capable sometimes, but a compulsive bullshitter at other times. Just as it’s tiring to supervise an “autonomous” car that often deftly navigates the road, but sometimes wants to plow into a school bus.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by hcrisp »

plonk wrote: post #415
onion2k wrote: post #358

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But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something The release of Bard rules that out in my opinion. No one would unveil a product that's clearly worse than their competitor, damaging their brand, their share price, and the morale of the entire staff, if they had a better version ready to launch soon. The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division and there's no comms between them. Whic…

> The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division Google Brain and Deepmind? Not sure about the "no comm" part, but their HQs are in different countries.

In another HN article comment someone mentioned that it took Google Brain over a year to replicate the DeepMind AlphaZero code even though they are part of the same company. Yeah, I think there are barriers to communication there.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by sliken »

Dalewyn wrote: post #461
sliken wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

>the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted Customers are learning or have learned, the hard way, that home automation is not at all like fairy dust and unicorns. See for example: Linus Tech Tips.

Heh, I do follow Linus Tech Tips, and shared their hate of subscriptions and almost bought a Ubiquiti g4 door bell they recommended because I didn't want a subscription, didn't want my video uploaded to a cloud, and wanted to keep everything on premise.

Sadly unlike their Ubiquiti APs, where you can host the software on any hardware (even a Pi), their doorbell requires their hardware. Last thing I want is a security system that dies with whim of some random manufacturer.

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

dimal wrote: post #318
m3kw9 wrote: post #263

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Was surprised developing AGI wasn’t one of their moonshots based on their own AI expertise

How do you sell ads on an AGI product? Since they made their original mission ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful") subservient to their ads business, they didn't have an incentive to build it. It's the old innovator's dilemma. AI makes their business model obsolete, so they couldn't imagine how to build it.

How? By product placement. Steer the answers towards certain solutions. Ad people will be bidding on keywords it prompts. It's yet to be seen how much different that will be from normal keywords in search.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by JoshTko »

plonk wrote: post #415
onion2k wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something The release of Bard rules that out in my opinion. No one would unveil a product that's clearly worse than their competitor, damaging their brand, their share price, and the morale of the entire staff, if they had a better version ready to launch soon. The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division and there's no comms between them. Whic…

> The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division Google Brain and Deepmind? Not sure about the "no comm" part, but their HQs are in different countries.

they serve different purposes.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jack_riminton »

antondd wrote: post #192
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Time to layoff 50,000 employees and announce another stock buy back to prop up the share price for <24 hours

This guys got management written all over him.

Sadly this is exactly what Google has become, a rent seeking monolopy that rested on its laurels about 10 years ago. It’s main product now is not even search, it’s the share price

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by kweingar »

woeirua wrote: post #410
antipaul wrote: post #273

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Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge). Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going…

I’ve said this before on HN, but if LLM agents catch on, won’t it be self-defeating in the long term? They need to pull tons of info from the web to be useful and up-to-date. If we all stop visiting websites, then who’s going to keep publishing all of that info?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ithkuil »

onion2k wrote: post #358
seydor wrote: post #340

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They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something The release of Bard rules that out in my opinion. No one would unveil a product that's clearly worse than their competitor, damaging their brand, their share price, and the morale of the entire staff, if they had a better version ready to launch soon. The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division and there's no comms between them. Whic…

Is bard that bad? I don't know, I can't try it because I'm not from the fucking USA or UK. And they do this for every new launch. Sorry, not available in your country. FFS, there is a world out there.

Every fucking other company in the world doesn't bother with this shit. I was able to use OpenAI no problem. I was able to try Bing, no problem.

Bard? Nope, I have no idea if it's good or bad. I can't trust what I read on Twitter because they write all sorts of nonsense about GPT too. You get a sense about what that thing is only if you try it out.

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