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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by mmahemoff »

Dalewyn wrote: post #461
sliken wrote: post #384

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I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

>the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted Customers are learning or have learned, the hard way, that home automation is not at all like fairy dust and unicorns. See for example: Linus Tech Tips.

I love my home automation setup, but it was slap in the face to get started and realise how brittle and poorly maintained this technology is, versus the hype that surrounds it.

It makes for great demos in keynotes, followed by adoring media regurgitation, but actually try to set it up and nothing works as it’s meant to. The benefits outweigh the costs to me, but it’s only suitable for technically inclined folks with a lot of patience or those who are willing to outsource the whole process. An average consumer can’t just setup their lights/aircon/curtains to be voice controlled out of the box.

This has been my experience for both Google and Alexa. Google’s app is particularly slow and tedious. Routines take several seconds to load and save. Neither platform has anything resembling a proper programming module with reusable code, ability to pull in open source modules, or listening to input and using it as variables.

Unlike Alexa, you can’t even add sound effects to a routine with Google Home. This is a platform built around “smart” speakers.

The voice interaction on both platforms is just not smart or contextual. ChatGPT highlights that.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nness »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #437
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Should have happened sooner. Even the basics google search and google image search are trash compared to Yandex, god damn Yandex of all things outperforms them. Google has rested on past success to long and rotted good products to dysfunction

Yandex's image search is fantastic. I don't think its a capability thing, however. Google was and probably remains a big target for lawsuits — where as Yandex... whose really going to want to fight copyright violations in Russia.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by pantalaimon »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #295
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

This already happened with Google+ back in the day. There was a massive hype… then they didn’t deliver after launch.

Facebook wasn’t just as dominant back then and Google could have had perfect integration with Android - but they didn’t, in the end it was just another isolated Google project left by the wayside.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by aPoCoMiLogin »

csdvrx wrote: post #36
jmartrican wrote: post #25

I went right back to Google. It just had better results.

Is It Possible to Learn This Power? Because google is 99% spam for me

it depends how and what you are searching for, I've seen some "spam" with stackoverflow clonse, but that seems to be gone now mostly. I also think that you are exaggerating a lot, otherwise citation needed.

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Post by awad »

zarzavat wrote: post #348
rippercushions wrote: post #308

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> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit. MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would…

I haven't seriously used Windows in a long time and vaguely remember some rumblings between Vista 7 8 but have Microsoft ever really had a trust issue with respect to supporting their software? That's kind of their whole thing isn't it?

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Post by ghaff »

kamaal wrote: post #459
josephjrobison wrote: post #392

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The problem is that Google’s core business model is too profitable, that nothing else can ever compete for attention and resources. But you’re right, they need to take the burn for awhile until escape velocity. I think they did with YouTube in general until the ads money hit. They’re also more geeky and not that creative of a company, nor do they really get design, so some of their blind spots can hurt them from time…

>>The problem is that Google’s core business model is too profitable, that nothing else can ever compete for attention and resources. I'm guessing their OKR's go on the lines of building billion dollar businesses or nothing at all. And 'nothing at all' winning at the end.

Very common at large companies. When I was an IT industry analyst I remember talking to someone at IBM about some new business initiative and they basically said if it didn't have serious potential to grow to a billion dollar business at some point, it wasn't interesting.

At large companies, there are just so many costs associated with attention, management effort, and everything else even if an initiative is sort of run "as a startup."

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Post by miked85 »

Aunche wrote: post #357
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

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I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

I had no idea Cobra Kai started with YouTube.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by robswc »

Aunche wrote: post #305
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

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Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

I don't think Sundar is bad per se. Rather, he is doing what most Googlers are doing which is resting and vesting off of that sweet ad money. It's unlikely that GPT is as monetizable as ads, so it's possible that he still loses even if he wins the AI race. As for a better alternative I think that the Susan Wojcicki, the former CEO of YouTube, is highly underated. She made a lot of unpopular decisions for the public,…

I can't say I agree.

I think YouTube could have stood its ground or maneuvered much better.

Perhaps the best "decision" to point to is the removing of dislikes. Does nothing but degrade user experience. Claims it was done to "avoid cyber bullying" or something to that effect but that's ridiculous. Now I have to waste a lot of time reading through comments to know if there's something seriously wrong with the "How To" I'm about to watch.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by crakenzak »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #339
in3d wrote: post #217

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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

not true. source: I work at Google, and have been using internal bard since they launched it for us internally.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ghaff »

rippercushions wrote: post #308
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

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I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

Perhaps broadly.

But I was at the Google Next event when I think they announced Stadia and there were some serious gamer stars associated with it.

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