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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by deely3 »

saberience wrote: post #257
jacamera wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

This comment is giving me “Look at me I’m so very smart” vibes. If you don’t have enough insight to understand how GPT4 could be useful for engineers you’re not as enlightened as you think you are.

Did you suddenly become defensive?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by majormajor »

dataflow wrote: post #385
majormajor wrote: post #371

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GamePass was a pretty big gamechanger. Looks like 2017. VSCode made a pretty big splash in its market too, from 2015. So not Google Search or Maps level, but solid, disruptive offerings that they've maintained in the last decade. I'm struggling to even come up with any Google products in the post-Android timeframe that I use as much as those two... And regardless, MS doesn't need to switch gears to compete with this…

If you're going back 8 years to VSCode as the example, then how about, say, the Google Pixel, which came out in 2016 IIUC? I imagine more people use Pixels than VSCode too.

I think it's fair to go back to anything since that list of "Search, Mail, Maps, Android" but I think you're comparing the Pixel to VSCode in the wrong way. Being less succesful but in a bigger pool of total users shouldn't win marks here.

What percentage of the smartphone market do you think uses the Pixel vs what percentage of the developer market uses VSCode, and what is the trend in that number?

A sibling comment to your seems dead but mentioned Google Photos, which is much more recent than I remembered (2015 apparently) and I think a pretty fair competitor in that market with iCloud Photos, Lightroom, and such.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by shp0ngle »

rcme wrote: post #119
ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with SEO. All those developer-focused blogs serve Google ads, while the official Go documentation does not. Google is trying to boost revenue by promoting results with ads.

I just don't think this is true. I just think Google has become actually bad at search, and there is no malice.

The problem with SEO spam was always there (remember expert sex change?) but they beat it before... but now it became bad again.

But they have monopoly anyway (bing is even worse for actually searching, ddg is just bing, brave search sucks) so they don't really care. What are you gonna do, use Ask.com?

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Post by NewEntryHN »

samgtx wrote: post #401
seydor wrote: post #340

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They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

> But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something This is what I don't understand. Didn't they fire an employee for coming out and telling the world they had an AGI? Where is this LLM that convinced an employee it was alive?

I guess they fired him because he was an idiot.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by michaelt »

sheepscreek wrote: post #270
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

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Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

He’s not a bad CEO. Just not an innovative one. I don’t think it’s an easy job even keeping the Google ship sailing, leave alone the rest of Alphabet (which Sundar is also the CEO of). I often think of his time at Google as Ballmer’s time at Microsoft. Not unsuccessful, business grew manifold. But not pushing the bar. Nothing to keep the competitors on their toes. Like Apple did with Apple Silicon. I heard this somew…

> I don’t think it’s an easy job even keeping the Google ship sailing

Not sure I agree. It's easy to be captain of a ship when you're on a familiar route and there aren't any icebergs to dodge. Just let the crew get on with doing what they always do.

It's only when you have to dodge icebergs that you need to start making difficult decisions under pressure and coordinating subordinates.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Should have happened sooner. Even the basics google search and google image search are trash compared to Yandex, god damn Yandex of all things outperforms them.

Google has rested on past success to long and rotted good products to dysfunction

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Post by bradly »

reaperducer wrote: post #393
bradly wrote: post #142

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Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

What's the best way to get ChatGPT support if the official support page is not working? Ooh! What was the answer to this one? I tried to sign up for ChatGPT, but the verification text never arrives. (No, it's not a soft phone. I've had the same phone number on the same cell carrier for over 20 years.)

It said to email support@openai.com

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by synergy20 »

synergy20 wrote: post #416

I have to use it on windows with Edge? this is a problem for me, there are also a lot chromebooks these days, and macos desktop/laptops, can I use Edge on any OSes and devices now(or in the future)?

not a windows user, just did a quick check, yes edge can be installed all other OSes, and bing+chatgpt works there too, nice.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by magicalist »

spoiler wrote: post #128
ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I know what you mean, and it's kinda annoying. I often click the blog links knowing I'll probably be disappointed when I see they're certain sites. Personally hosted blogs tend to be a bit better. I wish they added some kind of categorised search. So you can add "+documentation" or "+blog" to at least narrow it down if you know what you're looking for but can't remember the URL

They used to have blog search and it was crushing when they dropped it. I'm sure usage was low, but the few visits blogs got from that mode presumably dropped off the earth after that. Surely identifying personal blogs and the UX cost (tucked away in the Tools menu) couldn't have been too costly.
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