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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by martinald »

super256 wrote: post #377
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

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Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

> Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? I don't know, but I'm really sad to see how Android is currently performing in rich countries. Not stagnating, but losing. Here, in Germany, Android had a market share of over 70%(!). But over the last three years alone, Apple started eating Android's lunch and iOS' market share has increased from 28% to 38%, while Android's has decreased by the same amount (from…

It honestly feels that Android has been EOLed over the past couple of years. I haven't noticed any changes to it whatsoever.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by m12k »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

I'm getting strong Hooli "get me a middle-out compression algorithm - we go live in 1.5 months" vibes from Google when it comes to Bard. It's amazing how relevant and prescient the tv show Silicon Valley can be even to this day.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by echelon »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

> As a Alphabet shareholder

I wouldn't be long GOOG. They've got a long way to fall, and it's unclear if they can turn it around.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by bboygravity »

jonplackett wrote: post #454
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Whenever there’s a big shift like this it’s always tempting to look at the new thing as say how great it is - and ChatGPT is awesome. But it’s also worth looking at how shit the old thing has become. Google.com now literally delivers you an entire page of ads before any real results. It’s blatant profit-squeezing instead of trying to serve their users. This is their reward.

It's like Altavista where the search box was literally surrounded by ads before they died, lol.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ChatGTP »

faeriechangling wrote: post #239
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

ChatGPT-4 right ?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by kweingar »

epistasis wrote: post #194
rcme wrote: post #119

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My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with SEO. All those developer-focused blogs serve Google ads, while the official Go documentation does not. Google is trying to boost revenue by promoting results with ads.

This is exactly it. Google is trying to get people to stay on the pages they click, and they optimize for this behavior, not for utility or for quickly accessing information. If you go to a page and immediately find what you are looking for, Google interprets that as failure. This is why Bing and AI based search can completely beat Google web search, because they are trying to serve the searcher rather than serve ads…

AI search seems to have similar dynamics to traditional search. The people writing the stuff you’re searching for need to make money. (For example, AI doesn’t magically know about real-world events. It needs a human being to write about it.) Then the company offering the search product needs to make money too.

If you compensate sites for using their data in your AI product, then there will be the same incentives as now to game the system (AISEO?)

If you don’t compensate sites, then they’re not incentivized to produce the content that makes your search product useful.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Dalewyn »

JohnMakin wrote: post #163
ambicapter wrote: post #120

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A great quote from an article I read on HN recently > Suppose I was an evil person and wanted to eliminate the curiosity of children. Give the kid a diet of Google, and pretty soon the child learns that every question he has is answered instantly. The coolest thing about being human is to learn, but you don’t learn things by looking it up; you learn by figuring it out.

This is silly. You could extrapolate the same argument to use against Libraries.

Most of the people here know and understand computers because we had to tear everything apart and figure out how everything worked just so we could play some video games.

Contrast kids of today who can just go and play video games, no disecting of computers required. Naturally, most of them don't understand or appreciate computers as anything more than just another appliance.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ChatGTP »

thevagrant wrote: post #420
sliken wrote: post #384

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I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

Google search is way worse now. Maybe that is a factor resulting in reduced quality of answers as you experienced. For example lately I've searched for "prominent name company + product + question" only for Google to return a heap of blog articles of low quality, with the prominent company not appearing in first few pages of search results. Often the question is directly on an FAQ page of the product page. Why Google…

My theory is, Google killed good content by removing the incentive for making it and publishing it online. Then it went to stack overflow, reddit etc, now it all lives inside the brain (TM) where the content will get even worse.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nailer »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Sundar is Google's Ballmer. Was considered successful at the time, but actually presided over a period of growth that looked a lot flatter than their company's rivals. In retrospect, both leaders look complacent.
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