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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by uejfiweun »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #187
swalsh wrote: post #127

I can't remember the last time I used Google. I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. I guess I tried Bard briefly, but it was unimpressive. Most surprising statement I've made in 2023 to be honest.

This. Also Edge is so so powerful. Especially when I can just drop some content into a webpage, load it in Edge and then click the blue icon in the top right and just ask questions. This is a competitive advantage even over ChatGPT.

Haha, what a surreal thread of comments. If you showed this to someone even a year ago, it'd look like a Microsoft commercial.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nunez »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Teams?

Office 365?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by smoe »

ipaddr wrote: post #300
smoe wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly have the trust issues for things where correctness matters. For things were it doesn't and I already know how to do something but don't have it memorized, I think it is very very convenient. I use it various times a week for cooking. E.g. "basic recipe bechamel sauce in metric" ChatGPT: Within a couple seconds I get the ingredients in metric and a step by step guide. Google: The provided summaries are use…

Before a few keywords and quick website scan. Now you have to engage in a conversation and get the 'a feel lucky' version where before you got to look through different more visual recipes

I don't need to engage in a conversation. Query was exactly the same for both.

There is a difference whether I'm looking for interesting, more complicated dishes I haven't done before, or fairly standardized, simple recipes I have done many times and remember the technique but not things like ratios.

For the former I use a select few recipe sites or youtube channels directly. Google is miserable for discovery in my opinion. For the latter I use either my own recipe notebook or more recently ChatGPT as well.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jonplackett »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Whenever there’s a big shift like this it’s always tempting to look at the new thing as say how great it is - and ChatGPT is awesome.

But it’s also worth looking at how shit the old thing has become. Google.com now literally delivers you an entire page of ads before any real results. It’s blatant profit-squeezing instead of trying to serve their users. This is their reward.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ghaff »

itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #378
Aunche wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

Microsoft learned the hard way that the platform doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the games to bring people to it. It’s why they’ve spent billions left and right to acquire studios and publishers.

Hardcore gamers are basically a niche market. Not a trivial one as with power users of other types but how is Apple doing without (other than casual) gamers?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

Wait, only 15.8%?

I have changed from not using it ever, at all (or maybe once a year to give it a try), to using it everyday, actually more frequently than Google. And several people I know are in the same situation.

Maybe it's a regional thing? In Spain no one seems to use Bing, so the bar was very low, I'm sure the boost here must have been of an order of magnitude at least. But maybe I live in a bubble...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by LegionMammal978 »

notahacker wrote: post #248
LegionMammal978 wrote: post #160

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Google is more than capable of doing such basic fingerprinting, but do you have evidence Google uses it for search results? You can do a trivial experiment on another Google platform: open some video on YouTube, leave it, and look at the front page. Then, look at the YouTube front page in a private/incognito tab. (Alternatively, use two different private sessions.) In my experience, no matter what device or network I…

Considering people switch to Incognito Mode to get different results, it'd be weird and not particularly commercially savvy to frustrate them and feed their paranoia by serving them the same ones. Non-Google search engines and browsers exist. I'm also reminded of a CTO complaining that his test sessions suggested the default Google ads on a page with little text content all related to dating. We pointed out that that…

> Considering people switch to Incognito Mode to get different results, it'd be weird and not particularly commercially savvy to frustrate them and feed their paranoia by serving them the same ones. Non-Google search engines and browsers exist.

I just installed Google Chrome on a fresh Windows 10 VM to repeat the experiment outside of Incognito Mode. First, I opened a video. Then, I checked the front page and confirmed that related videos had been added. Then, I closed Chrome, reset the VM's state to before I had visited YouTube, and checked the front page again. (I don't think this scenario would be too indicative of a prying user; I can easily imagine corporate systems that regularly wipe out browser data.) Again, the related videos were replaced with generic videos.

I then tried the same thing, except by clearing browsing data through Chrome's UI instead of resetting the VM. The results were the same.

Obviously, these observations could all have been manipulated by sufficiently conspiratorial fingerprinting. But the simplest explanation, in the absence of good evidence to the contrary, is that the site uses and respects browser cookies for its recommendations. Thus my request.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

this_user wrote: post #258
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

Money is tight and we are seeing real competition finally.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by kamaal »

josephjrobison wrote: post #392
Aunche wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

The problem is that Google’s core business model is too profitable, that nothing else can ever compete for attention and resources. But you’re right, they need to take the burn for awhile until escape velocity. I think they did with YouTube in general until the ads money hit. They’re also more geeky and not that creative of a company, nor do they really get design, so some of their blind spots can hurt them from time…

>>The problem is that Google’s core business model is too profitable, that nothing else can ever compete for attention and resources.

I'm guessing their OKR's go on the lines of building billion dollar businesses or nothing at all. And 'nothing at all' winning at the end.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by polski-g »

antipaul wrote: post #273
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

They already have monetized it. Its $20/month.
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