OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?
Azure is a functioning newish business. The difference is Microsoft already has a very diversified revenue stream. Google only has search.
In what sense is Azure "newish"? It started around 2008 IIUC, just like Android.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#343The rise of gpt generated content is no doubt degrading search results, as well.
Google must be feeling the squeeze from all over.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks. Google, Amazon, and Apple all allow trademark and product name squatting. It's gross and abusive. Generic terms? Sure. But actual trade names for products? That's extortion. These services aren't helping in discovery if the customer already knows the name. They're merely forcing thems…
IMO, the services should just not buy the ads for their own name. It might hurt their bottom line a bit, but doing this makes the search engine shittier for the users who know what they want to see. User input/frustration will eventually lead them toward alternative search engines, or provide enough feedback to Google/Bing/etc to make them disable registered service name or company names from being used as ad terms.…
Kagi does not have any barrier for using the platfrom. Perhaps you misunderstood the pricing?
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#345I can't remember the last time I used Google. I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. I guess I tried Bard briefly, but it was unimpressive. Most surprising statement I've made in 2023 to be honest.
> I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. So you trust EVERYTHING bing chat and chatGPT are telling you? No double-checking at all?
Bing chat will usually have links in regards to whatever you searched for if you need it. Most of the time I dont.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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The response speed of GPT isn't fast enough for me to want to use it like Google. Even with plus.
The response speed of Bard is much better in my experimentation. The creativity of the output on Bard is lacking, though.
I've found Bard to be very responsive too. Though you could argue it's not getting the same amount of traffic ChatGPT is.
That said, I don't expect Google to rest on its laurels. Sure, OpenAI is executing swiftly these days, but I think they've been prepared far too long for this. I expect Bard to become much better very soon... then will the AI wars truly begin.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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> you need to manually verify the content Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request? They seem to be doing this e.g. with the Wolfram integration.
> Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request? Because many are still fake, nonexistent. Wolfram is very limited scope for the global population needs. E.g if you ask about local hunting laws from ChatGPT, without correct reference, what can you do with that information? It is very dangerous to trust them blindly.
Bing is exposing source links for their answers, one-click verification.
Wolfram has a much wider scope of information than I think most people realize, but your example of local hunting laws is a good example of what they don't cover. I asked Wolfram, and it told me how many calories I'd burn while hunting.
I asked Google, and the first link was to Hunting Regulations - Outdoor Annual - TPWD - Texas.gov, excellent result.
I asked OpenAI, and it cautioned that it isn't up-to-date, since it's just a language model, advised that TPWD is authoritative (correct), and gave an accurate summary of the five major point of gun laws in Texas before reminding me to check with TPWD for the latest.
I've had some misses with OpenAI, but this was an excellent answer. I've also had some misses with Google, but this turned out to be something they surfaced excellent link for, too.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.
> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.
That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit.
MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia?
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.
Was surprised developing AGI wasn’t one of their moonshots based on their own AI expertise
They have DeepMind which has produced some incredibly impressive toys in its own right. We can't say right now that superhuman gameplaying performance by self-taught machines is less of a step to AGI than completing text prompts. Quite possibly both will be blind alleys along the way. But OpenAI's thing has many more commercial applications right now.
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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.
Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5
If that’s true, Google is doing themselves a huge PR disservice by exposing the Bard they have exposed instead of something closer to the internal one.
Yes, I understand the resources and scaling issue, so (1) Google should recognize that this is literally for all the marbles, and (2) done a slower roll-out with its best foot forward if it needed to rush, while at the same time putting as much money as necessary into assuring it could scale out the good model widely.
Google is a trillion+ dollar company, and is facing an existential threat to its core business (because if someone else’s AI is how people interact with the web, the Google’s ads business evaporates with no replacement; if Google is at least competitive on AI, it may still lose its ads business, but it will have something.) Now is not the time to be cheap.