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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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jocaal wrote: post #212
epistasis wrote: post #194

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This is exactly it. Google is trying to get people to stay on the pages they click, and they optimize for this behavior, not for utility or for quickly accessing information. If you go to a page and immediately find what you are looking for, Google interprets that as failure. This is why Bing and AI based search can completely beat Google web search, because they are trying to serve the searcher rather than serve ads…

The problem AI search has is monetization, openAI can't run gpu server farms to serve 100M customers for free forever. This was a problem that plagued early google as well, sergey and larry were against using ads for monetization, but in the end that i what drove the business to profitability

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

m3kw9 wrote: post #264
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

I think OpenAI just executed with perfection, also their focus on AI was a big competitive advantage vs Google who have 50 different things

Also not cancelling things left and right would probably be a better strategy for Google. People used to love them, but complete disregard for their users and impassionate product shutdowns have completely destroyed trust. I wouldn't ever consider building my workflow on anything Google, maybe with the exception of Gmail/Android and whatever they can their office suite now [0].

[0]: I've lost track of their rebrandings.

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Post by myko »

dmix wrote: post #242
tifadg1 wrote: post #139

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I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

The response speed of GPT isn't fast enough for me to want to use it like Google. Even with plus.

The response speed of Bard is much better in my experimentation. The creativity of the output on Bard is lacking, though.

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Post by AviationAtom »

Zanfa wrote: post #180
jeffbee wrote: post #112

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Not really. Yahoo was selling every search result slot. There was no quality to it at all. It was all paid.

Google can also return enough ads to push real search result below fold, while also making it as hard as possible to discern between real and paid results.

If you saw how much of Google's revenue comes from ad spending then it makes perfect sense why it is the way it is now. But it goes to show what being hyperfocused on revenue does to the user experience.

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Post by DesiLurker »

cush wrote: post #216

Clawing 1% away from Google's market share is likely one of the most challenging moats to cross on the internet. And all it took was creating the singularity.

they say first million is the hardest. I suppose this is what google is afraid of, essentially showing that the 'Gods can bleed'. once that is out in open, there would be other players or at least eat into their margins.

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Post by ipaddr »

lumb63 wrote: post #75
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

I agree with your sentiment exactly. But your comment made me think about this an interesting way that I hadn’t thought about before, that made me better understand why I am “anti-GPT search”. All the same things that the model makes an effort to “understand” are things that can contribute to your own understanding. When it “understands”, you do not. You get the summary and miss out on a great amount of nuance that c…

What chatGPT misses is I want many sources of information conflicting or not so I can form a more informed opinion. I want to know every side not the correct one.

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Post by sourcecodeplz »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #246

The latest figure I saw for Bing's marketshare was 2.81% [1]. That means it has grown to a 3.23% market share, which is still basically total insignificance. People were saying it would lead to a big shift away from Google but those are simply laughable numbers. Call me back when it grows by 500%. [1] https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/search-engine-market-share

From what I've read it is reported that as of 2022, Bing has between 3 and 8 percent of global search.

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Post by iamerroragent »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #278
bobsil1 wrote: post #269

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Has no CS background, studied material sci → consulting → Google PM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

> no CS background Now do Tim Cook.

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by DeRock »

this_user wrote: post #258
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

The only changes I have noticed as a user of search and maps over the past few years has been the intrusion of more and more ads. The MBAs are truly in the driver seat.
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