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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by cmelbye »

culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

I've found that if you push through the trust issue with the expectation that it's not a final answer, it's just getting you closer to it a lot more quickly, then that ends up being very helpful in a lot of cases.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by collaborative »

_hypx wrote: post #154
AviationAtom wrote: post #138

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Bing is on it's way in that direction. Microsoft needed something big to make Bing relevant again. This could potentially be it. Will they eat all of Google's lunch? Probably not, but if they can begin to chip away at the insane share (93%+) of the marketplace that Google controls, then it can only be for the betterment of the Internet.

Bing doesn't seem any better than Google though. I was thinking of something that gives you a dramatically superior result than Google.

I created aisearch.vip which searches using bing api, removes results containing ads or seo junk, and uses openai to summarize content to void clickbait. I believe that this is the only way to get the 0-4 good results hiding in the top 20 results. It's paid because it costs to run. But to be honest I myself am a fan of what phind is doing. Just can't understand how they are able to cover costs yet

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by neodymiumphish »

echelon wrote: post #106
jjoonathan wrote: post #95

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The moment Google removed the yellow highlight on ads, their fate was sealed. They lived long enough to become the villain.

I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks. Google, Amazon, and Apple all allow trademark and product name squatting. It's gross and abusive. Generic terms? Sure. But actual trade names for products? That's extortion. These services aren't helping in discovery if the customer already knows the name. They're merely forcing thems…

IMO, the services should just not buy the ads for their own name. It might hurt their bottom line a bit, but doing this makes the search engine shittier for the users who know what they want to see.

User input/frustration will eventually lead them toward alternative search engines, or provide enough feedback to Google/Bing/etc to make them disable registered service name or company names from being used as ad terms.

I've been using Neeva for a while now. It's ad-free and (for me, anyway) on par with Google. I have one premium account ($5/month) and one free account (used for work) and have had no issues with either. By default, searches aren't saved, although enabling it can lead to better personalized searches.

Kagi's one I've heard great things about as well, although I'm not a fan of a business model that allows me to pay for X searches before hitting a barrier that prevents further use of the platform (theirs is 200 searches a month for $5, which seems way too low based on my use cases).

In any case, users will force the change, not any government or corporate pressure. Businesses' best chance of fighting it is to refuse to play along.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by purplecats »

braingenious wrote: post #12

I am one of the people that installed the Bing app because I was told that it would bump me up the waitlist for Bing Chat. I have not used it at all, and this is a reminder that I should probably uninstall it. I have access to ChatGPT, Bard, Alpaca etc. and there’s very little reason at this point to pretend to use Bing in order to get a crack at Chat.

as a bonus you get microsoft autoupdate background installations that dont get uninstalled with the removal of edge

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jatins »

danans wrote: post #165
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #107

While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

> Would be curious to hear from some Googlers on their thoughts. I'm sure, internally, a lot of it must feel like piling on from the outside, but in all honestly it really feels to me like a classic case of "big company that lost its way Former Googler, opinions are my own. They haven't lost their way technologically - as you mentioned they invented the Transformer - and internally Google has long had language models…

Microsoft has been really smart in this regard because they are invested in OpenAI but OpenAI does not have to suffer from any Big tech organizational nonsense the way Google's AI probably has to

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by copymoro »

tshaddox wrote: post #147
eindiran wrote: post #67

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I mean, this is a big part of the issue. Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back. Sometimes you benefit from that, other times it pushes the results you want way down. I just tested this and there were some micropython related results in the top ten, but the majority were for beautiful soup with no mention of micropython.

> Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back... There's a problem here though, which is that there is no way for me or any other reader to discern whether the reality of the situation is "it's not reproducible and the commenter is misremembering basic facts about their search results due perhaps to some unrelated frustrations" and "it's not rep…

nor are we anywhere near being able to inspect how google is doing all this.

if only there were some way to somehow be able to share that information with everybody, some technology so that we can all access such potentially useful information about how google is functioning right now

sorry about the snark, but it's a vent for accumulative frustration from seeing a worsening trend in this regard.

Kafka would recognize this trend; computing is truly becoming a "bureaucrat's best friend".

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by milesvp »

bornfreddy wrote: post #151
gtm1260 wrote: post #91

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My mental model has totally shifted to the point where even like dealing with stack overflow feels like a pain compared to just asking gpt-4.

Interesting - do you find the results trustworthy?

I'm curious too. When I go to stack overflow, I get lots of clues as to the trustworthiness of a given answer. I don't know how I'd get any clues from an LLM that its solution is outdated or suboptimal in some way

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ByThyGrace »

noah_buddy wrote: post #153
bradly wrote: post #142

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Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

You have touched on something I am incredibly excited about. ChatGPT is going to do away with a lot of the intro level questions you ask researching certain sorts of technical problems, especially as it becomes better able to understand images. ChatGPT removes the need for you to ever open a manual (unless you want a deep understanding). How do I turn off this feature in my car? How do I replace the fan in my fridge’…

> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand

As long as they're not hallucinated media...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Zanfa »

jeffbee wrote: post #112
AviationAtom wrote: post #33

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For those old enough to remember, it's exactly the reason why Google took Yahoo's place back when.

Not really. Yahoo was selling every search result slot. There was no quality to it at all. It was all paid.

Google can also return enough ads to push real search result below fold, while also making it as hard as possible to discern between real and paid results.
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